Two Head Cards as Starting Hand

I've noticed that two head cards like J,Q, Q, K, J,K, don't seem to win no matter how many times you play it. So if you get any of these cards in your starting hand, play them and bet wosely but don't go all in with them. You're better off with a Head and a card 10 or below. What do you think?

I don't know how you came to this conculsion. But playing a hand like KQ is better than playing K10... Its all about your kicker.

for me paint if its suited is a great starting hand, and if im in postion late unsuited is ok without a big raise. It seems like online you get so many high cards on the flop half the time that you have so many str8 possibilities with that its not a bad idea playing them

gl

well i will love to get those kinds of cards

but seriously..I think ive won with then a couple of times

im a big fan of playing 2 face cards or 2 suited face cards. I do have a lot of luck with j 10 or q 10 because of the probability of hitting nut straights. late position calls with these cards are great. pure odds would say that two overs (i.e. kq) has a better chance than an over and an under (i.e. k 5).

I always play two picture-cards, I find that you have good chances (I'm not sure about the %), and if you hit on the flop, not much can beat you...

Askman

I play almost any combination of face cards except Q10. I also usually go all in if short stacked with KQs or AK AQ or AJ

I would offer that it's not the cards you're playing, it's the way you're playing them. The percentages for winning with KQ, KJ, AQ, etc., don't change. And it's a bit silly to say that they "never win". Of course they do. But the way you bet them throughout the hand has a major impact on whether you take that pot or take what you consider to be a bad beat instead.

I've said this many, many times in these forums, but I'll say it one more time. If you give your opponent free cards by checking, or by betting timidly, and he makes his hand on you, it's not a "bad beat". It's bad hand management on your part. Start making them pay heavily for those draws, and you'll watch the number of beats drop and the number of pots you drag rise.

Good points Rammer. One thing I would add...

Dont get too heavy especially with JQ Q10. I have made big raises with these hands on many occasion and had my fingers burnt. Make sure you make a big enough raise to KO the limpers pre-flop, but not too big so to give yourself an 'out'

With 1,500 starting chips. QJ would get a max 100 raise from me. If K or A comes down and no poss run, you are not commited and you only lose a small sum

I said they don't SEEM to win.

...no matter how many times you play it."

Sounded pretty comprehensive to me, but point taken. Sorry for the misquote.

I have a problem with KJ. I have been knocked out several times in big tourneys with that hand, so I try to avoid it. Two face will always be a better hand than a face and a 10.

if im position and looking at a table full of people living in limpers paradise, i like to raise it up with any 2 face cards to narrow the field. then if a board of rags come, i like to bet out again and see if i can take it down right there. if a scare card comes...say a K against my QJ or an A and my KQ i would still like to make nice bet and try and take it down. if they call and i think they have me beat, then ill just check behind them as well. (no sense in losing more money) but if i think they're on a draw then ill be big into them and take the pot right there.

Playing any 2 face cards is a mistake as most of the time they will lose.

That doesn't however mean that Kx or Qx is any better, its just going to lose more ;]

Playing any two face cards for me is usually weak without them being a pp or suited. Definitely better than a Face and an undercard though.

A big problem with these is a lot of players play them too confidently. I've seen a lot of players bet insane amounts with QJ when they hit their Q on the flop. A lot of players, when they have a hand like this and hit, seem to forget that even though they may top pair with a painted kicker, there are a lot of hands that can beat them. I do play on Empire poker, however, so I see a lot of this. I like it because it makes for easy profit.

Jon

I play double face cards pretty strong preflop to try to eliminate weaker hands, so that if a low flop comes, I can bet big to represent a pocket pair.

Of course, not always, gotta shake things up often to keep people confused.

Well hole cards such as KQ, KJ, AJ, etc are good starting hands but they are still only as good as the flop, turn and river. They have good potential but that doesn't always mean you have a great chance of winning. I find these type of hands tricky to play with sometimes.