trouble hands in holdem

#1 12th June 2009, 3:32 AM

when someone raises in front of you, is it ever ok to call with a hand like kj offuit or qj offusut? is it ever ok to call with j10 suited? this goes for limit and non limit, cash and tourney. I ususally foldd these hands to a raise. thanks

#2 12th June 2009, 3:44 AM

I don't think anyone can give advice that goes across the board like that but my 2c is , in limit I might call a raise with those hands if in position in NL cash I would fold them most every time , in NL tourney I might call a raise if in position and know the person to be loose .
JMO now lets see what the big boys say

#3 12th June 2009, 3:48 AM

I would rather have 85 suited. What I mean is, yes those are trouble hands because if you hit, you may still be dominated and lose a pretty big pot. I am very loose preflop and I like raising with those types of hands, but not calling a raise (obviously this a broad generalization)

#4 12th June 2009, 3:53 AM

yes those hands will get you into a lot of trouble postflop...

i dunno...if im in position ill give a call depending on stack sizes and how tight my opponents have been....really just depends how im feeling =]

#5 12th June 2009, 3:55 AM

I'm no big boy, but I agree that generally those hands are easy folds to a raise unless I have position. I'm not sure about preferring 8-5 (one of my personal favorite hands), but 8-7 or 9-8 I sure like better. Not many ways to win a big pot with K-J calling a raise. I also prefer to call with small pairs against a modest raise too. Hit the set and roll in the cash. Miss and its an easy fold.

#6 12th June 2009, 4:21 AM

You're supposed to fold because those hands are so easily dominated. Understanding the gap concept: The term "gap concept",first introduced by renowned poker author David Sklansky, refers to the idea that a player needs a better hand to call a raise than to open the pot themselves. For example: if it is folded to you in middle position it may be correct to open-raise Ah Js; however, if you're facing a raise from a tight player under the gun, Ah Js's value shrinks dramatically.

#7 12th June 2009, 8:58 AM

In limit i would call one raise with a dangerous hand. Caveat being, i have a pretty good idea about how the raiser plays. I know I am chucking it if i miss. If I hit, I want to be pretty sure about where I am in the hand.

I think you are getting pretty good thoughts already in relation to how to handle danger hands in NL.

#8 12th June 2009, 10:27 AM

I guess with those kind of hands you're really looking to flop a straight or at least an open ended draw, if you only manage to hit one pair you should probably fold when faced with any aggression.

If you need to call a raise preflop then it'd be good if you had an idea about the player making the raise, then consider your position also. If it's a sizeable raise then you need to have good position, if its a min raise then I'd call no matter where I'm sitting.

#9 16th June 2009, 5:23 AM

i usually fold unless i'm pretty sure i'm at least almost even and its a flip...and i've got the chips to...or if i'm so shortstacked that maybe i think this is probably do or die for me. i might reraise *if* they've proven to be one of those A-anything shovers and i've got the goods

#10 18th June 2009, 12:57 AM

If you don't have position I would fold just about every time. It is, in my opinion a waste of chips.

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