Theoretical unbeatable Nut hand play

This is only a weird theoretical hand that I am posting for the Pro and semi-pro players that play larger stakes regularly (in excess of $5/$10 NLH)

The situation: you are in a large stake 6 ring game where everyone at the table knows everyone else (say at least 1,000 hands each). stacks are about even (lowest is 80BB largest is 140 BB).

Hero is UTG and gets

For some reason you call (It's theoretical)
UTG +1 also calls (he's most likely to bluff)
MP Folds
CO Calls
SB Calls
BB Calls ( and YES I KNOW THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!)

Flop

what is your strategy for milking the most chips? These are all highly experienced players.

Oh come on no-one has any comments? Really anyone can post, it's just that there are so many micro limit players here and higher limit game is a totally different game so there is a different thought process.

This post is really about keeping villains in the pot for the most profit when you know you can't be beat post flop. You could change the parameters by making UTG raise 2x BB, BB calls and Hero Calls.

it has happened to me lol
called with J 10 spades
flop was A Q K all spades
i'll never forget that one.

another one
called with Jh9h
flop was 7h8h10h

Bet the flop.

Then bet the turn.

At the river, bet.

If you get raised at any point, call. Then bet the next street.

I'm only a microstakes donkey, but for the record, I'm almost never folding this hand!

Me too, i like my line here though for max. value; check flop, check turn, value bet like 1/4 pot on the river.

Bet Bet Shove

You're not going to get many if any chips unless someone is going to bluff at the pot and again, if these are high stake players they aren't limping the pot like this to start with so it's unrealistic to ever imagine what a pro would play the hand like now as the hand would never ever materialise at this level like this.

It will all come down to a players image and what one thinks of another player if they would bluff at the pot of not.

Anyway, I know you said it's theoretical but I don't see the point in it as it's highly unlikely. You would be best wondering what would happen at the micro limits, as it's very likely you will have a couple of limpers and you could most likely stack of with some holding one spade or any piece of the board to be honest.

So, theoretically:

To milk the most chips out though I think at the higher levels like this, I don't think anyone can answer on how you would extract the most chips from another pro even if a pro like durrrr or Phil Ivey came on to answer this, I think it all comes down to "who" is at the table.

It's all very player dependent and cards really don't mean much most of the time, it comes down to who they are playing and what a particular player is capable of doing or how he checks/bets/min raises/over bets /3bets/4bets/check raises etc etc will determine another pros decision on the hand on whether or not he feels one is strong or weak - to then call/shove/etc.

So for example, if a pro thinks "ok, he quite often check raises if played at on the flop then he's weak" or "He will check monster hands, but sometimes make a check raise to look weak when in fact he's strong, but then will mix up his play to then 4bet/over bet to look strong or reallly weak" so the theories at actually endless to a degree and theres no real answer.

So basically, it's all psychological aspects more than anything and I don't think anyone can directly answer how to extract the most chips from another pro.


The most obvious one though I think is just bet/bet/ to get as much value as possible or check/call again depends on the players. If someone is betting in to you quite often and likely too on every/any board then check/calling is most likely the way to get most of the chips.

fold, you will never get any value off this hand
dunno maybe if you just got caught bluffing you could overbet to make it look like a steal but in the end i highly doubt getting called by even a micro donk like myself

you must bet the flop, there are any number of scary turn cards that will put 4 to a flush or straight on the board. If you had any hope of getting value from 1-pair type hands, it'll go out the window then.

what a silly thread

+1

OP please show me the 5/10 NLH games where it's a 5-way limped pot to the flop.

OK, OK, never it's about the unbeatable (or very close to it) play. It's a pure strategy play off the flop when u r so far ahead that all u can do is milk it. u got pocket J's and a pair of J's on the flop, whatever. Your hand is so far ahead that you can't loose, how do you play it when the room is full of expert players?

Sorry to take the p1ss up there mate, but seriously... why keep specifying that we're up against expert players? Because, if I'm in a room full of expert players, then you can be sure I'm spectating and not sitting there with my money on the table.

You just want to know which line to take to extract the most when we flop a monster MW right? Normally bet, and if someone shows strength, raise, unless they are likely to be bluffing; in which case, let them bluff it off.

depends

These situations are really unimportant in the grand scheme of things. For one, when you flop a royal or quads it's really hard to get paid off big unless someone has something. The problem is you've got the deck crippled and it's hard for anyone to have anything. Furthermore, if you slowplay against a table of "expert" players they will sniff out our fishy slowplayed monster.

Let's assume you are aggressive and capable of firing air and nuts on such boards. If you aren't you shouldn't be sitting at this table. If so people can float you with something of hand and you hope they catch something or decide to bluff.

But pretty much 100% of the time when you flop the nuts you should bet if it's a multiway pot. There's no real compelling reason to check unless you expect someone to bet and that's not happening as often in limped pots.

I realize every fish's dream is to flop the stone cold nuts and have someone bluff at it or to cooler someone, but in reality there are like a million more interesting and useful poker topics to think about and they'd probably just be better off betting themselves anyway.

This illustrates two pros fastplaying flopped quads vs. flopped full house. This doesn't happen very often but it shows the correct/smart way to play both hands. The hilarious thing is Sexton and Laak think they should both slowplay.

Like I was saying it really wasn't about the unbeatable hand as much as how to suck out savvy players when you have the nuts beyond a simple made straight. My problematic question is how to get the most money when you are way ahead. As one person stated "it depends" and that is true, I just want to know how you (meaning anyone who reads this) would play it.

At micro limit I would slow play with minimum bet in position with no raises before me. UTG I would check and see if anyone will raise me, then call if they did (this is all post flop before turn). At high limit though the play is tricky because good players will sniff you out, so it's all about disguising your hand for max $.

At micros no one is aggressive enough to count on them betting for you.

o my dear lord +1
seriously. . . .
right now i need YOU tommyboy!

to buy me a beer and a laxative . . . .cuz i'm flushing!!!!
. . . .this down. . . ya

+1....

As ridiculous as this thread is im gonna play! Why dont we just shove the flop. If someone has caught something they're more than 50% against our draw (that's what they'll put us on maybe) usually so would surely call and take the equity edge. Plus the board isn't going to get any better for them if they havent already hit it, any other cards that come arent going to make anyone happy to get stacks in i dont think... Plus why would someone shove the nuts here Depends on far too many things like table image though so everything anyone says here is pretty irrelevent.

Playing NLH yesterday and

Hero CO

Flop

Turn

River

Had 1 player in UTG who bet 0.30 on river

I raised to .75 and he timed out, was gonna call just to see the ooohs and ahhhs

It just shows that only a maniac or complete fool would call this board, maybe if he had AA, TT, or 89h he might stay in. First time I've ever been dealt this but it wasn't all that great because you really can't play it profitably.

If he has AA or KJo then he pushes all in on flop, assuming that his stack is comparable in size then it's a risky call.

If he has TT or AT then he pushes all in on turn, once again I have 1 out so it's not profitable unless I'm already way past the commitment point.

Still it was pretty cool to get the RF even though no one else at the table knew it.

bet the flop and turn

lol wat

pretty hand

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