Table image

I thought I was just playing my normal TAG style, raising good hands, pretty standard stuff, then this hand occurred..

Keep in mind the table was playing tight up to this point and reraises always scared people off so I was trying to just isolate the initial raiser.


Full Tilt Poker Game #2530068783: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (19240114), Table 2 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:12:12 ET - 2007/05/28
Seat 1: Effexor (2,685)
Seat 2: badjjj (1,140)
Seat 3: Jordan_Lang (6,475)
Seat 4: flossum (1,470)
Seat 5: pwhitey (1,180)
Seat 6: BullDogWCU (355)
Seat 7: Jar450 (535)
Seat 9: nrgagent (1,425)
badjjj posts the small blind of 30
Jordan_Lang posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Effexor [Ah Qc]
flossum calls 60
pwhitey calls 60
BullDogWCU folds
Jar450 raises to 535, and is all in
nrgagent folds
Effexor raises to 2,685, and is all in
badjjj calls 1,110, and is all in
Jordan_Lang folds
flossum folds
pwhitey folds
Effexor shows [Ah Qc]
badjjj shows [5c 8d]
Jar450 shows [Ad 3d]
Uncalled bet of 1,545 returned to Effexor
*** FLOP *** [4d 6d Qs]
*** TURN *** [4d 6d Qs] 8♣
*** RIVER *** [4d 6d Qs 8c] J♣
Effexor shows a pair of Queens
badjjj shows a pair of Eights
Effexor wins the side pot (1,210) with a pair of Queens
Jar450 shows Ace Queen high
Effexor wins the main pot (1,785) with a pair of Queens
Jar450 stands up
badjjj stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,995 Main pot 1,785. Side pot 1,210. | Rake 0
Board: [4d 6d Qs 8c Jc]
Seat 1: Effexor (button) showed [Ah Qc] and won (2,995) with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: badjjj (small blind) showed [5c 8d] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 3: Jordan_Lang (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: flossum folded before the Flop
Seat 5: pwhitey folded before the Flop
Seat 6: BullDogWCU didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Jar450 showed [Ad 3d] and lost with Ace Queen high
Seat 9: nrgagent didn't bet (folded)

shortly after this I got this comment:

pwhitey: he probably got sick of you raiseing everyhand

Afterwards I started to think about how my table image was affecting how people played their hands against me. Now I had a run of just awesome cards, every PP hit trips on non scary boards, etc.. Usually when I thought about table image, it was from the viewpoint that I didn't play many hands so people would tend to respect my raises. In this case, it was the complete opposite. Nobody believed anything I bet because I was literally hitting every other flop with huge hands. The upside to this was that I got paid off on every hand I hit, the downside was that I couldn't c-bet.

On a side note, I went out in 4th place when my pocket 9's on the button all-in steal attempt ran into QQ in the SB and KK in the BB..

Who really cares if you cant c-bet, it may be useful at times but your image is perfect if you want to make money in the long run, if no-one believes you have a hand, then so be it, those players will be the ones that will pay you off, and when they do and you show your hand they will have to respect your raises in upcoming hands for fear of losing a large chunk of chips.
Its a ++ IMO, the first + being that in the long run, you'll get more respect for your bets and will be able to steal more often when in position and the second + being that when you push and someone else pushes back then you'll have a better Idea of what another person is holding and may find it easier to make a big laydown.
Just don't change your image at all, if it works for you, go with it and never question your own play if its +ev in the long run.

table image is very important in poker if you got a tight one you might be able to take down a nice pot because people are afraid you might got a monster hand. i like to keep a extremely tight table image.

There's your reason right there

Really not sure what villain was doing here, maybe got bored

chuck you beat me to it!!!!

I need to stop working doubles so I can get to these before you.

I find that people often confuse aggression with looseness.

Because you raise when you open a pot it calls more attention to you than those who limp (the more common scenario/action by your opponents at this level).

So even if you fold most of your hands the fish see you as very active because of the visibility of the (unusual to/for them) occurrence of a raise.

ps $1 + 0.25 = 25% vig = unacceptably high.

When a player is raising alot you really need to see what cards they have at the showdown to see if it is loose play or a rush of cards. There is a big difference. A rock can raise 4 out of 5 hands once is awhile when the cards keep coming. The difference is the rock will always have a good hand while you can catch the loose player with mediocre cards once in awhile.

I really dont pay attention to peoples table images.. I just play my style and let people think one thing and then i make them think another thing.

man im picking on you on two different threads?


how can you not pay attention to how others precieve you? How do you steal blinds if you have no idea how people think you play. Great you play your style but you know your style should change when the blinds get bigger and certain situations appear. I mean you go to steal the blinds from the button, do you take into account what the people in blinds have seen you show down? maybe you should think twice about raising the blinds and fold a couple buttons to make it appear to be letting them walk because you have nothing and then 3rd time raise it with 9-2.

you see this way they will think ok this guy has given me 2 walks he must be playing tight and now he raises he must be strong. Or better yet some dude raises your blind and you repop him with 9-2 and he thinks ok he gave those guys 2 walks so he must have a hand this time. You image is what allows you to chip up later in the tourney, if you have no idea how people think of your image you will not be able to chips up.

was going to make some witty response about how short time success dosent mean much but guess I will give it time and let you learn that by yourself. GL when the rush ends.

Short time.. Okie been playing for 5 years... and i usally win 1 or 2 tourneys a day online and do well in cash games.. but really dont care how other people play.. just as long as i am doing good..and If i did have a stle of play or certain table image. i would discretly hide it..

since you win like 1-2 tourneys a day you must be millionare. I take it since you are so experienced you play the sunday majors. So that means every sunday you are bringing in like what 500K? because sunday on pokerstars 1st is usually like 150k, tilts is usually like 50k at least and UB is around the same. I guess you play poker for a living then?

if you dont play the sunday majors all I can say is why the hell not? if you like you said win like 2 tournaments a day you should be. I mean why dont you get in touch with cardrunners and be a guest pro? by the way what is your player id? because I searched addam00 and got zero cashes so that cant be it. So what is player ID?

you hide your style you dont think the players are smart enough to pick up on your weak/tight image or nitty image?

He hides it "discretly" (sic), are you not paying attention?

what is funny is I just googled his name bubblebut which he posted is one of his screen names in this forum.

I got 2 more of his screen names off another forum ran all those names through thepokerdb and we have zero cashes in any tournaments at all. I dont mind having discussions here but I can not stand people who lie about how good they are to try to fit in or make sense of bonehead statments.

its a normal thing though someone dosent agree with something and they go into the well I win this and I win that so I must be right.

im running it through sharkscope now because according to his info there he dosent play major sites just stuff like cake and bugsys.

ok so poker.com we have... 78 played, average profit $1, ROI -100% (lol), profit $53

ok i just searched him out and there are like no refrenses through google about him but the couple mayble like 5. So its pretty safe to say this guy is full of it, I mean I can search my name and get like 9 pages or so. Usually if you win like he has his name would be all over google from hands posted on other forums.

first of all I dont play on pokerstars on regular basis.. second of all I have other user names i go by thrid of I play live at casinos more then online..


and you dont matter to me.. to take your time to look up someone up.. you must have no life....Poker is not my life.. and i dont take anything people say seriously or what i write seriously.....

so then by association you have such little life that you have to lie about success on an online forum?

it takes all of 3 seconds to look you up I dont think that means I have no life. I just think it is sad you can not just come clean and say that you really dont play the levels you admit to. I know all you screen names from another forum. You at best are a micro limit grinder and there is nothing at all wrong with that. I just cant stand the lies.

I enjoy this forum and the people around it most are stand up guys, you are new here just dont want to see you get off on the wrong foot. Most of the things you have posted are jibberish and not thought out at all which is why I expected you were full of it. And then when you say you win 1-2 tournaments a day that is just silly. Not even people like action jeff or annete or any of the top tourney players can say that.

just come clean dont lie and you will be accepted here.

frist of all you dont know me.. and where I play and how much I pay for tourneys...or what tourneys i win... or not.. you dont see me playing everywere live or online... its my buiness what i do and I know myself.. i am not gonna respond to anymore of message.. casue I know me and you can think what you want... I am happy were I am at.. and I play all levels of games.. but i play live mostly.. you can think I dont win 1 or 2 tourneys a day.. but I really dont care what you think anymore.. i am me.. I shouldnt even be responding to your posts.. in realalty i dont care what you think..

periods work real well when you write, wow. Anytime you win anything online it is tracked, anything! so honestly we do know what you win. Live ok I give you that, its not tracked unless it was for player of the year points that is tracked. Its real simple we know you dont win 1 to 2 tournaments a day just by the way you talk about strategy posts. Hell I will do you one better, here are my stats yes I dont play big buy in tournaments online. Seeing as Atlantic City is right around the corner, hey wait do you play in Atlantic City because I can ask the floor managers about you? Im guessing you will say of course not I play in some casino you have never heard of or been right?

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here,

as you see I havent played any tourneys in 4 months, been kinda busy planning baby and all this year.


you are also welcome to look at my sharkscope.

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my pokerdb is pretty sick lately storms, check it out

I bet it is big money

I really think im going to start trying to qualify for sunday majors or just buy in.

looking now.

its got you at 4k on stars? shouldnt it be more or have they just not updated yet?


see you like the rebuys.

by the way 20% ITM is freaking great.

guess they havent

http://www.cardschat.com/f46/joosebu...-ft-11k-85424/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f46/joosebuck-scores-ft-11k-85424/)

I thought so, give it a couple days and it should be crazy. I plan on taking down some in next couple weeks I got lots of catching up to do.

now you got me in the mood to play the sunday major on stars, damit this deposit better work tuesday and expect to see me in every sunday major on stars.

thanks, it was actually higher but i played a shitload of the sunday million DS tournies trying to get into the 250k added sunday mil, as well as the WSOP $650 satty DS's and just had a terrible run.

ok let me name some of the top online pros and for the hell of it lets pokerdb them to see if they make 2 tourney wins a day.

mkind0516 - cardrunner guest pro, one of my teachers -

over 200k in tourney wins on stars
1018 tourney, 54 final tables, 7 wins
his last tourney win was 4-14-07

welp not 2 wins a day so you must be better then him right?

annette_15 - regarded one of the best players online right now, #4 on pocket fives best players and is usually always on there. She has to have 2 tourney wins a day right because she is one of the best lets see.

1286 tourneys, 76 final tables and 19 wins and over 700k in tourney wins

last tourney win was 5-29 but wait thats only 1 tourny win and she had 3 cashes on the 24th but they were not wins.

well crap you are better then annette, how is this possible?


ok I know lets look at johnnybax for sure he has to average 2 tourney wins a day right!

johnnybax - always on poketfives
over 650k in wins, 1822 tourneys and 23 wins

last tourney win was on the 27th but then he got a 26th place finish.

welp you have to be better then him.


as you can see your statment is complete bull shit because the most respected and most succesful players on the internet right now can not average 2 tourney wins a day so how in the world do you expect us to believe you can. You can not honestly say you are as good as these 3 very accomplished players.

Hello, I was reading adam's post and what you guys were responding to he was very vague on his post.

Well,he might have or might not have win one or two tourneys a day,He never said how much money he spent on the tourney , he never said if it was a sit and go or a MMT player tourney,he never said what all the sites he played on or if it was a private freeroll that had a limit number of players all the time. It could be a play money tourney or a play sit a and go. I think the main thing that he meant all tho i could be wrong is that he does not want to fit a certain table image maybe he meant, he likes to mix it up.

I think he said something like he doesnt play on pokerstars that much he just mostly goes to the casino's I could be wrong...He never said he was a poker pro.Maybe he plays the 1/2NL or 3/6 holdem

Whether I believe hiim or not,
He could might as well win one or two tourneys maybe like a play money (hahaha) or like a real cheap sit and go.. I really dont believe him but I will give him credit for it cause i guess those play money or 10 cents sit and goes its very possible..(hahaha) , those tourneys are quick you can play like 10 of them in 30mins specialy the turbo ones.Those kind games are on sites were alot of (donks) play


To the pesron who got the 11K. well done M8t

good post sizzle,

welcome to the forum.

Thank you for the welcome,

and Adam I beleive you that you do win one or two tourneys a day,Luckily you did not say how much.I think you win at the lower stakes sit and goes, and maybe some MTT maybe in some of your other forum freerolls or private buy in
Maybe you sit at the coumputer for 8 to 12 hours a day of course your gonna hit at least win one tourney or sit and go..Adam you were very careful of what u said on your posts your one of those players that likes to get people aroused. I was thinking about the posts again. There again I believe u do well in cash games, well it depends on how you define well

ifyou were at a micro game lets say 1 and 2 cents and you put 1 dollar in and made it 2 or even 3 dollars. I guess u can say that is doing(hahaha) well in cash game. Remeber he never said if was a good player he just said he does well, that can mean many things.. Adam what are you up to. you tricky little thing you. Well my table of image of you adam is you want people to think your crazy..So lets all give adam benifit of the doubt.. Now if said he avarage 100,000 dollars a day then I would have a problem. he did not say that so I guess winning those miro games is good for him.. Adam why dont you try stepping up a level and stop picking on the newbies. Adam test your skill.. go from micros to let say a two or five dollar tourney or even a sit and go and if you just cash in any of those i guess in your standard Adam your doing well. So Adam once again I believe on what you say that you win one or two tourneys a day.


Adam you are very tricky on what say..

hurray for mirco games.

Ok lets stop picking on Adam now. I want this to be a fun forum
Adam if I offended you in anyway i did not meant it I am sorry for that


Ok here is my question.
I play tight but i want to have a loose playing image but still maintain my tight playing style . how can I do that without being overly loose. Once I am loose it is hard for me to going back to playing tight. then i get on tilt mode.

im going to move this and start a new one in different section so it actully will get responses.

This was the point I was trying to get at, and even though the thread got 'jacked ;P, TY for the reply titans.

Even though you might be playing like a rock, super tight, a rush of cards may skew the others opinion of you. By paying attention to what your own image is, you may be able to use that to your advantage.

sorry about that .