| This is a discussion on Super Tight player raises out of sb. Whats the best play? within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; Alright Just looking for some feedback here on a few questions i was pondering last night. 7 handed about 40 minutes into a sit n ... |
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| Super Tight player raises out of sb. Whats the best play? Alright Just looking for some feedback here on a few questions i was pondering last night. 7 handed about 40 minutes into a sit n go, the table folds around to the sb who is SUPER tight with a vp$ip% of 9, but a pfr% of 8 (he rarely plays any hands, but comes in for a raise almost every time when he does). The sb raises your bb 3x to 150, you both have around 2000 chips which is about avg. You've been dealt 10 6 off, so pretty crappy holdings. 20 dollar sit n go on Stars, so the players are decent. Knowing how VERY tight he is, and that he has raised pre flop in pretty much every hand he has played thus far, would the best play in this spot be to re-raise pre flop to something like 480 with any 2 cards? A few very good players that I know who I've asked have said they would probably smooth call and then see how the flop comes. Knowing this player is SUPER TAG and is for sure going to c-bet probably 2/3 pot off the flop, I'm leaning towards the re raise pre flop knowing that hes not going to come over the top of me unless hes got an absolute monster (AA KK QQ AK) as hes so tight. If he does call the raise Id oviously take one shot and give up if I get called. So question to everybody, do you re-raise pre flop, smooth call, or just fold. |
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| Fold, leave the table and hide until the urge to raise passes.... He has a VIP of 9% and a PFR of 8% He plays only premium hands. Ok Im sure he has bluffed once and got away with it... but why do you want to commit 1/4 of your chip stack just to find out if this is the second this session he is bluffing? Call.. maybe.. see how he plays PF If he c-bets 3/4 pot then im assuming the pot will be 300 of which only 100 is your bet (50 was already in the pot as you are BB) So his 3/4 pot bet will be 225 bringing the pot total to 525. To call the flop it will cost you therefore a total of 325 (225 + origional 100) which is still 155 short of your origional raise to 480. So this way you get to see a flop and if you like it have 155 chips (saved) to put towards betting out on it. (or the turn) If you dont like it you have 155 chips more in your chip stack. Even so.. why take on the Super TAG yet anyway? Who was it that said 'let someone else play sheriff'? just my humble ramblings Last edited by Stu_Ungar : 25th November 2008 at 12:21 AM. |
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| re: Super Tight player raises out of sb. Whats the best play? poker The whole question is based on him raising out of the SMALL BLIND. He's not going to limp as he raises every time he plays a pot. If he were to limp out of the sb knowing what we know about him, were going to be raising him 100% of the time(unless he had been folding a bunch of small blinds to you) so his raise in this spot isnt all that different than a limp. So is everybody still thinking fold is the correct play? |
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| Yes. Limping has nothing to do with this hand. He's a nit, he raised, that means he has a hand. Even if he's raising a much wider range - %20 or even an extremely unlikely %50 of hands, you're a clear underdog with very little fold equity. STTs aren't about making complicated (low-percentage) plays on your opponents. They're about staying tight until you get a chance to start pushing the blinds around on the bubble to build a stack to take a shot for first. So far I haven't seen one good argument for reraising or flatting. |
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| re: Super Tight player raises out of sb. Whats the best play? poker Someone with those stats isn't usually stealing. His VP$IP is close to his betting % *because* he usually plays big hands, not because he's over-aggressive. He's TAG (NAG?), and the three-bet here ignores the T and targets the AG. There's no reason to risk 480 here when you can just let him take the 50 BB. Yes, he *could* be bluffing here, but you're turning an insignificant pot into a significant one... against someone who has you beat a large majority of the time. |
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| Wow good convo, I would fold as well just cause I'm not going to go up against a tight player who more then likely has a monster or a lot better hand then 10-6. If this was a bigger tourny maybe I would get creative and try to play around with this guy and get inside his head. But SnG no way. |
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| Every situation think what your edge is. Someone who's 80/5 your edge is he plays too many hands and you are playing better hands. Someone who is 9/8 is generally folding too much and you make money when they hand you blinds. Why you would want to play against them postflop when they have a premium with T6o and not a deep stack is a mystery to me. |
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| re: Super Tight player raises out of sb. Whats the best play? poker You see his stats, which are very strong and you shouldn't tangle with such a tight player especially if your stats are somewhere in the range of 26+/4+/?. You have to assume he may have a read on you also, if you are also a tight player, then a reraise may either chase out (good for you)or get a call (you just wasted your time and chips on a bluff and better hit the flop hard) |
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