Slowplaying monster

Hey guys. Just had a rollercoaster session where I was up 1 buy in, went down 3 buy ins, then built up to 4 buyins and then got felted in this hand to start back to where I was before. Any, I hit this monster hand but wonder if I played it right.

Party Poker - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem (6 players)
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SB: $2.04
BB: $1.91 (sitting out)
UTG: $1.44 (sitting out)
MP: $0.88
CO Hero: $2.06
BTN: $2.49

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO and dealt
Hero raises to $0.07, BTN calls $0.07, SB calls $0.06, MP folds

Flop: ($0.23) (5 players)
SB bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, SB calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.59) (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.30

River: ($1.49) (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.57 (All-in), BTN folds, SB calls $1.55 (All-in)

Dont know why but straights have not been kind to me this session. Heres another one where I did not lose as much as I would have but still felt sick after.

Cant find the hand but long story short, I hit my straight on the turn and bet 1/2 pot I think cause I wanted to get value on the river. Unfortunately, there were already 3 diamonds on the board. Villain calls. Last river comes diamond. I check for fear of a flush and villain turns over a mere to take down the pot.

Post in cash games HA forum. What do you beat on the river when you shove? Check call or check/fold is better depending on reads. Plus raise bigger on the flop.

So what did the SB have when he all inned? I assume a K or 10? I would have checked the river card instead of betting on it just to stay on the safe side of things. SB made a good move by checking down to you on the river. Plus you maybe should have raised more than $0.12 on the flop. Button raises aren't the strongest method when raising.

What were you hoping to accomplish with the shove? You fold out worse and you get called by better, checking would have been better, it just feels like a trap with the check and he gets what he wants when you shove.The hand history and your written account of things arent really coming together though, not quite sure what happened in the hand.

Raise way way more on the flop. Just c/f the river.

was hoping to maximize value. Ive seen people go to showdown with pp or worse.

you are good on the river vs. 4 about 0% of the time.

vs 3*

play on the river is kinda irrelevant given how the hand plays out if you raise way way more on the flop like you should

Do you see the board has double paired with a J kicker? No one is calling a shove here with 99 or an A. The river shove is terrible just check behind. Should have bet like 30c on the flop then bet big or even shoved the turn

In agreement with c/f the river. You have some showdown value but really beat very little with that 10 on the river.

Should have checked. Too much risk somebody is holding a K or 10. You got greedy and paid for it.

yea the general consensus is basically wtf were u thinking with that shove on the river lol...the only hands that call u have you beat, you have to check/call or fold there....shoulda bet a ton more on the flop, then maybe shove on the turn and cry wen he hits the river...

Yeah, the river was just a bad shove. I guess I just didnt want to lose the fact that I flopped the nut straight and wanted to get paid for it.

I think the play here wasn't the best,

your min raise on the flop is "ok" if you just want more money in the pot (if you expect them to call, then obviously you should be putting more money in), but with 2 in the pot you can then expect to get HU's by the turn in most cases.

You should/could expect someone to be holding a King on the turn, I think shoving the river is awful play, the chances are one of those players is holding a King or a 10 here is so high. If you're continuing with 2 in the pot on the turn I think the best play here is just make a pot sized bet and if called and make someone pay who is holding Kx here.

Sure this might be a bit loose, someone might want to comment, but pot sized betting at the very least on the turn (Maybe even shoving the turn with 2 left is the right play here, not sure though?)is the right play, see if he calls. When you have two callers you should realise when the board pairs again on the river then it's just check/fold everytime. Nonoe is EVER calling anything worse here, what do you think they have been calling down with to start with? Obviously someone hit part of the board and a straight just has zero value with 2 left to act on that board. It's obvious by calling the turn he either has Kx,K,J and slow playing his monster. When the 10 hits, its now obvious he has you crushed.

check/fold.

Regardless of what occurred before, Shoving on the river with such a hand against such a board is to answer your original question not playing it right at that point.

:vomit:

You raise the flop because you think he'll call with worse, yet you minraise. What hands do you think he folds to a bigger raise?

I would raise the flop a lot more. Probably to 30c or so and then pot the turn and get it in. As played check/fold the river.

In my opinion you should only be slowplaying a flopped full house or better, especially at NL2. They will call with anything.

I wouldn't slowplay a flopped full house or quads or straight flush in a 5-way pot ever.

Slowplaying a straight is really bad. One thing to remember when you flop a straight is that you didn't actually hit any of the cards on the board. When you have AA and flop top set, it's difficult for anyone to have top pair because there are few Ax combos left.

Why wouldn't you slow play a SF, unless you have the idiot end? Isn't the point to get the villains committed, if small or minimum bets push the others out then you wouldn't make any money anyways. Letting them push each other and going deep at showdown will garner most profit. This is assuming that you are not playing against maniacs, in which case there isn't really any need to slow play, but if there are at least 2 that will 3 bet and 4 bet then call away and hit them after the river.

Oh and Sorry ClubArrow77, don't mean to hijack your thread. Check out "Pfft That's Poker" (my thread) for similar discussion.

no problem Potluck. Thanks for the redirect. The whole point of this thread was to learn more about poker and not make mistakes like this in the future.

Bad shove on the river. You're giving away your stack basically. If you think villain has a K, shove on the turn.

1. Slowplaying is an idiotic fish strategy. I don't really have any room for it in any part of my game at all because I get called so light so often and people always think I'm beting a draw so I need to build pots when I have it. Fastplaying monsters gives more credibility to bluffs and probably the only time I "slowplay" is with air to rep the nuts when I know the fish mindset is "he checked so he might actually have something!"
2. Your logic makes no sense -- if a small bet pushes them out then they aren't going to bet big themselves, are they?
3. Bad players almost universally will call on scary boards a hella lot more than they will bluff them. In fact the rare times that a fish will try to bluff is often when you will value bet a scary board that they can't believe you would possibly bet.

slowplaying is not an idiotic fish strategy unless you only play micros (and even then it sometimes has its merits)

slowplaying is an idiotic fish strategy unless an 80/50/6 is over betting every street and stacking with like mid pair happily.

It pretty much is except on like the .1% of the time the board texture doesn't allow for bluffs/floats. If someone is going to bluff they are likely to bluff whether you check or bet. If someone is going to call they aren't likely to bet themselves.

I had a hand at the Borgata where I raised in the BB over 6 limpers with AA, got 6 calls and flopped quads. I checked and called a bet on the flop and checked to the river where it put 4 to a flush on the board. That's one of the rare times where I didn't see how leading out would be the best play but if I had TT on an ATT board I would probably never check a single street.

Raise x3 flop, lots of draws/made hands there...