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  Poker - Show the bluff?
 
  #36  
18-08-2008, 7:16 PM
katharine
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Panamajoe
What Poker sites let you see the other guys hole cards after the hand?!?!
Even if you can "see last hand" they shouldn't let you see the other guys cards!

That should NEVER happen, they gotta PAY to see! I hope you are mistaken, but, if not, tell me what poker site that is.
You can do this at every site. Bodog, pokerstars, absolute, carbon, Ultimatebet, full tilt.

However, it's only mucked cards, not folded cards.

If you get called and win the hand, and then the player mucks, you can see what the player lost with.

But, for instance if the player decides not to call a hand and folds, you can't see those hole cards and they can't see yours.

But checking mucked cards is actually a great way to pick up info about a players betting pattern. (I.e was he spewing chips with only top pair, low kicker, when you had the nuts, etc.)
 

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  #37  
18-08-2008, 7:42 PM
RickH2005
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The Bluff?

The ONLY time I'll show the bluff is if I've WON the hand! And then only occasionaly. I, to, see no reason to show if it's a looser!
  #38  
18-08-2008, 11:21 PM
UrBluffingMe
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what the heck does winning or losing have to do with whether or not you show? You are still giving away valuable information about how you play.
  #39  
18-08-2008, 11:54 PM
Stefan_m
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NO.

I have never showed my cards, nor I will, simply cause they need to pay if they want information. Some poker players tend to show cards and then switch to anther style, but in my opinion this could be easily read.

Remember, nothing is free in this world, not even giving your opponents information about your game !
  #40  
19-08-2008, 12:47 AM
UrBluffingMe
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I think too that when you show cards to induce a certain table image, you are assuming much. You assume what your image is to the other players at the table and you assume that your actions will make your opponent think one thing or the other. The fact is you have no clue what your opponents think of what you play or how you play them. SO DONT GIVE THEM A FREE HEADS UP!!!!
  #41  
19-08-2008, 7:19 AM
dg1267
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Quote:
Originally Posted by UrBluffingMe
I think too that when you show cards to induce a certain table image, you are assuming much. You assume what your image is to the other players at the table and you assume that your actions will make your opponent think one thing or the other. The fact is you have no clue what your opponents think of what you play or how you play them. SO DONT GIVE THEM A FREE HEADS UP!!!!
This works with the average Joe, but I think it works much less when I've played against a certain opponent several times and have him/her marked a certain way. If I know that they are typically a loose player and they are tight today I might try to steal from them more often. Then if I'm caught in a bluff, I can show it to make them open up a bit more and send some chips my way.
  #42  
19-08-2008, 7:25 AM
bobboss171
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i never show a bluff because ... i t be dangerous to bluff again
the outher players in table can not think .. that was a bluff
and dont give us this information
  #43  
19-08-2008, 7:46 AM
iamays
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Whether or not to show your bluffed hand is really a situational strategy. I think it's best to give your opponents as little information about your playing style as possible, unless you're deliberately setting them up in the future with a false table image.
  #44  
19-08-2008, 8:02 AM
kevinfromhb
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Honestly, I think that showing a bluff on a rare occasion may be to your benefit. The people at the table, at least for the next 10 hands (attention at on-line tournaments don't seem to last that long) will think you're full of it, and when you do get a nutz hand and raise, they will call and be in the trap. But on most occasions, especially if your hands are cold, and you were using a bluff to try and shake something loose, and you don't expect better hands any time soon...DO NOT SHOW! Let them figure you did bluff, or maybe they will figure you just had a little lessor hand. Keep your opponents guessing.
  #45  
19-08-2008, 8:56 AM
rcman1980
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i think that if u want to show your cards it only when u played hand that u
usually dont play.....
but if someone want to see your cards let them pay......
no free information here ......
  #46  
19-08-2008, 11:42 AM
UrBluffingMe
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dg1267
This works with the average Joe, but I think it works much less when I've played against a certain opponent several times and have him/her marked a certain way. If I know that they are typically a loose player and they are tight today I might try to steal from them more often. Then if I'm caught in a bluff, I can show it to make them open up a bit more and send some chips my way.
This is exactly what I am talking about. You are concentrating on one player and giving the whole table information just so you can show this one guy, who may or may not be even paying attention to you, that you bluff.
  #47  
19-08-2008, 1:07 PM
teksmith
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I think its bad strategy to show a bluff unless you don't intend to bluff again later. The purpose would be to give the impression that you are a bluffer and to encourage people to call you. You wouldn't want callers later if you choose to bluff again.
  #48  
19-08-2008, 1:38 PM
dg1267
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Quote:
Originally Posted by UrBluffingMe
This is exactly what I am talking about. You are concentrating on one player and giving the whole table information just so you can show this one guy, who may or may not be even paying attention to you, that you bluff.
Well, in most cases, if that one player isn't paying attention then I doubt the others are either. And my game is pretty tight without a lot of bluffing anyway. So I'm not afraid to show anybody any of my bluffs. This information will only help me in the long run because I bluff so little.

If, because I show, the whole table pays attention and thinks I'm a bluffer then I'm okay with that. Then, when I get those pocket K's or A's I can get some action out of a large bet.

P.S. I do know that this goes 100% against what my signature says! LOL
  #49  
19-08-2008, 5:01 PM
z28_RoadRage
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I never show a bluff, but I have shown some winning hands.

One turny I won 4 hands in a row showing the 4th hand that was folded to me (previous 3 went to showdown). Next hand I came out with the same raise as previous 4 and buddy types in saying he's calling my bluff as I couldn't have that many premium hands in a row. We get it all-in and I won with pp K's. Every hand I went into after (until I was moved), was folded to me without showing.
  #50  
19-08-2008, 5:03 PM
t1riel
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Usually, I only show a bluff if I want to change my table image. If the players see me as a thght/aggressive player, showing them a bluff will change that. Other than that, I usually don't show.
  #51  
19-08-2008, 5:50 PM
dg1267
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Quote:
Originally Posted by t1riel
Usually, I only show a bluff if I want to change my table image. If the players see me as a thght/aggressive player, showing them a bluff will change that. Other than that, I usually don't show.
I really never thought about using it that way. Thanks for adding that. I can use that from time to time.
  #52  
19-08-2008, 7:00 PM
greenruss
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I would say only show the bluff if you can use it to your advantage.

You cant see the other players hand with the last hand feature on Full Tilt.

I would find it most disturbing that you could see a players cards after the hand has been completed.
  #53  
20-08-2008, 2:29 AM
katharine
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Quote:
Originally Posted by greenruss
I would say only show the bluff if you can use it to your advantage.

You cant see the other players hand with the last hand feature on Full Tilt.

I would find it most disturbing that you could see a players cards after the hand has been completed.
I cleared this up in my earlier post. The cards OP is talking about looking up out of curiosity are mucked cards! You can see mucked cards in last hand feature in FT, as I look them up all the time.

You cannot see folded hands just mucked hands.
  #54  
20-08-2008, 2:37 AM
konawajim
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My Uncle who I play poker with a lot ( He's 93 ) told me a "Monkey shows his A$$ and a Sucker shows his hand"
  #55  
20-08-2008, 10:35 AM
mls1024
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Too funny Konawajim......Why show?... Make em' pay for that information.
  #56  
20-08-2008, 9:35 PM
Lolita
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Quote:
Originally Posted by c9h13no3
My cards are only shown on pay-per-view.
Lol!

I bet people have complained to you a lot of times saying " I didn't see this!"
  #57  
20-08-2008, 9:54 PM
thejuanupsman
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I have auto muck on so I am never even tempted to show.
  #58  
21-08-2008, 1:40 AM
gotalljax
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I rarely show a bluff. Only if my opponent has been a real @%$! and it just happened to be the critical blow to their stack. But I have found it useful to show winning hands - depending on the situation and usually only in heads up games. Sometimes it helps back an aggressive opponent down. Sometimes it aids your bluff the next go around. To me, it all depends on the skill level and playing style of the opponent (Donkey, agressive, etc.).
  #59  
21-08-2008, 1:57 AM
earache
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ill show some of my bluffs and some of my monsters that got away. you have to keep people thinking. its not giving away too much info. its just to confuse the hell out of them later. play mind games.
  #60  
23-08-2008, 7:58 AM
hastetheday
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I say no in almost any situation I like to leave a little mystery to my playing style, although showing it off can get in a player's head
 



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