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  #1  
03-08-2008, 8:26 PM
RazzleDazzle
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Show the bluff?

Is it ever worth it to show a bluff at the river when you've lost the hand? I know that the other players can just use the last hand feature to see the cards that you muck at the end of the hand, but they may or may not end up doing that. I personally always use the last hand feature just out of curiousity, so whether they show their cards or not, i know what they had. I know that if people see you bluffing, they may think your bluffing the next time that you do actually have a hand, and they may be more likely to call you, and you then get paid off for the bluff... so I'm wondering whether it is a good idea to make them aware of the bluff.
 

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  #2  
03-08-2008, 10:08 PM
nymets14450
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i never show an opponent my hand, it just gives them more information about how you play.
  #3  
04-08-2008, 12:36 AM
JCN221
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I show them from time to time when I'm switching my gameplan up. I'll bluff a tight table at a tourney and play very tight the next set of hands.

I don't see the advantage of showing a bluff when you've lost the hand though.
  #4  
04-08-2008, 12:42 AM
The Shrog
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I RARELY show a hand..why give free information?
  #5  
04-08-2008, 12:56 AM
RazzleDazzle
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shrog
I RARELY show a hand..why give free information?
I'm not one to give free information either, that was the philosophy that I always followed in those situations, no matter how good the bluff and how bad I wanted to show it... However, I was watching the full tilt poker.net tips from the pros and they were saying how you can't be a good player if you never bluff, and how even if you lose some chips when your bluff doesn't work, you have the chance to pick up an easy pot, but you also have the chance to lose a comfortable amount of chips in order to portray yourself as a bluffer so that a few hands later when you do have the flush or the straight, etc, you actually get paid off.

Watching the pros play on TV, you also see them show their bluffs from time to time, and I always wonder "Hey, why are they giving away free information" but they are the pros and they do know what theyre doing and so maybe there is something to be said for showing a bluff (of course, then agian when theyre at the TV table, they could be showing it because they know the other players will see the bluff on TV later, or just to look cool on TV)
  #6  
04-08-2008, 12:58 AM
Alon Ipser
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Never say never. I rarely show cards outside of CC events and then it's usually good cards and not bluffs. If I'm playing players that I think are good and are actually watching what is happening then I think that occaisionally showing good hands increases my table image as a tight player. This could help later when bluffing and playing the same way as the hand I just showed.
  #7  
04-08-2008, 6:41 AM
jbatesm
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I sometimes show a bluff when i win the pot and successfully stole the pot but i see no point in showing a bluff when you lose a hand. It gives away some information but it really is pointless. Atleast when you win the hand you can rub it in and maybe draw a call later from someone but when you lose and show the bluff i would just laugh if i won the hand against someone who showed their bluff.
  #8  
04-08-2008, 7:39 AM
ButtonDog
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I don't like to show the bluff because it takes away the opportunity to bluff from time to time. I like to establish a tight image. This helps the bluff work and has even allowed me to keep my big blind. For some reason unknown to me I have noticed that when I have that image established others don't like either raising my blinds or calling them.
  #9  
04-08-2008, 9:33 AM
danny021
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it all depends on what image you want to create... showing the bluff when losing a pot may not be wise... it just confirms your opponents decision of calling you and he feels great... when you show a bluff it may come back and help you when you pick up a quality hand and play it out the same way.. your opponent would be really tempted to call you in that situation..
  #10  
04-08-2008, 9:38 AM
cAPSLOCK
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One of the keys to poker is misdirection, and misinformation. So, if you are the sort of player who will bluff very rarely then it's possible that showing in this situation could "advertise" a "indiscretion" you don't normally have.

If you bluff all the time then it is quite foolish to show it... you'll be showing some anyway.

But the #1 reason to show one is if you have reason to believe it will throw a particular player off his tracks. But this is more frequently done with a winning bluff/show not a losing one.
  #11  
04-08-2008, 11:46 AM
NewHill
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50/50

I think that showing the bluff is always going to be a 50/50 scenario.You might get lucky and get the reaction you want by having someone raising into you when you have the nuts, but you also might have more opponents re-raising you when you don't causing you to second guess your hands alot more.
  #12  
04-08-2008, 10:43 PM
ugotkicked
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I show my hands all the time.doesn't matter what had before.It's what I'm holding now. bluffs are great to show as long as you know that you'll be getting looked up more often so you might wanna slow down a bit and let things "cool" before doing it again.
  #13  
05-08-2008, 12:11 AM
Henreiman
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Showing the bluff is useful in one situation only: to induce more action when you have a strong hand. For instance, if you raise on the button two times, steal both times, and show crap hands, then the SB and BB will be itching to call by the third time you raise from the button. So if you get a good hand, this is going to be lucrative for you. But don't try to steal
  #14  
10-08-2008, 10:23 PM
MANAMAL
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Show the bluff

Occasionally its good to show the bluff, it helps to confuse the other players on how your playing the game. I personally am a tight player, but if you get that rap on a table you find yourself only getting premium hand callers, so to mix up my game I will occasionally bluff and if I am sucessfull I will show it and rub it in a little to inflame a player. Once you get inside their head they will be more confident on a marginal hand and be less concerned about calling you. Its an easy way to set a future trap when your holding the nuts.
  #15  
12-08-2008, 8:28 PM
sublimefool
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yeah I am not quite sure what you are talking about if you bluff and get called down it's pretty obvious anyhow...as far as showing a winning bluff I very rarely do...sometimes just to annoy someone if I have been playing a few big hands with them and maybe they got the best of me haha...really the only other times I will show hands is if I am stealing alot or getting a good run of cards I will show big hands when everyone folds so they don't think im raising crap all the time

edit..also if I am short stack pushing and have good hands..hopefully they won't call loose on me if I have to push weak next time
  #16  
12-08-2008, 8:32 PM
Ummagumma
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I never show a bluff...if you bluff a guy in a big pot then you like the way he's playing you...if you show him its a bluff then hes likely to change the way he plays you. Just doesn't make sense to me :/
  #17  
12-08-2008, 8:41 PM
KerouacsDog
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I play at an english site(virginpoker) amongst others, but virgin must have the highest number of calling stations around.
Anyway, when I start a ring table, I run a few small-stake bluffs until I actually win one, and then I make a point of showing the bluff. These guys then think Im a bluffer all the time, it's amazing how many more people call me when i bet later on. But i wait till i get a decent hand, then bet the same way as I did when i ran the winning bluff, and make sure I have the nuts with this decent hand, and bet huge on the river.
i'd say I win big about 80% of the time playing this way, it also works on 1c/2c at PS, but it's not as effective as at Virgin.
  #18  
12-08-2008, 11:53 PM
pandabear77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hegezsolt
Never show your cards.
You will see my cards. Then pay.
its just like you say,if someone wants to see my cards then its pay per view.i dont want anyone to have more info on me then they have to.also,i dont talk much in a game,if you say something to me ill be nice but dont expect me to talk your ear off or something.
  #19  
13-08-2008, 1:21 AM
PyroPokerPlayer
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In my opinion, Showing your Bluff is like Giving you Chips.
  #20  
13-08-2008, 1:34 AM
Zingmaster
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if you know that showing a certain bluff will affect your opponents game and make HIM start bluffing, I think it can be a good move.
  #21  
16-08-2008, 6:28 PM
GoodWoodRR
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I only show bluffs when players stop paying me off with my big hands.
  #22  
16-08-2008, 9:50 PM
apovieira
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I never show my hands. I don't give informations of me for my opponents. It's great let players thinking if I have a good hand or not. By the way I almost never bluff.
  #23  
16-08-2008, 10:31 PM
UrBluffingMe
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I never show my hand. Ever. I'm sure there are times when it can be beneficial to show. However, you never really know whether or not is has benefited you until your opponents use that information to make a later decision. I do in fact know that you will rarely if ever hurt yourself by not showing. So I just don't show. I never tell. I never answer any questions about my hand. I play the way I play and I let them figure it out.
  #24  
17-08-2008, 6:21 AM
katharine
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I'm with alon, i sometimes will show my good cards to establish a tight table image, but not often. Then i will never show a bluff, thats what they have to pay to see (and hopefully they won't).
  #25  
17-08-2008, 6:34 AM
Pothole
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Showing cards is a situational thing IMO, come bubble time and you raise with a monster and all fold, I'll show, still bubble time facing a raise out of position and ss, I'll reraise with junk, if I have a good read on the player and i'm in position with a healthy stack. Then again, I could be lying, see you in the next CC buyin game,,lol
  #26  
17-08-2008, 7:04 AM
shinedown.45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ButtonDog
I don't like to show the bluff because it takes away the opportunity to bluff from time to time. I like to establish a tight image. This helps the bluff work and has even allowed me to keep my big blind. For some reason unknown to me I have noticed that when I have that image established others don't like either raising my blinds or calling them.
^^^This is the main reason why you should never show your bluff, I follow this as a personal rule of mine.
I want my bets to be respected, and by not showing bluffs and going to showdown with srong hands gives your later bluffs more respect.
  #27  
17-08-2008, 7:45 AM
Danzafan
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Its almost never good to show your cards except for when you have too. Unless you are playing against players that don't know what they're doing you should never show the bluff. A good poker player will not get fooled on a second bluff.
  #28  
17-08-2008, 3:16 PM
Suited Frenzy
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It always depends on the situation. I have only showed bluffs when I intend not to bluff the rest of the game. If you happen to show a bluff & then l8r on down the road continue to bluff then don't get upset when some1 calls you w/ A high on the river when they think you're bluffin' & end up winnin' the hand.
  #29  
17-08-2008, 6:11 PM
Lolita
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I never show them. A tutorial video once taught me that it's good to show cards if you have high cards and play really aggressive so you can bluff more easily (because they think you only play high cards), but I never ever do it.

I 'm not interested in bluffed cards, so I think others aren't either.
  #30  
17-08-2008, 6:37 PM
UrBluffingMe
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OMGitsBOYCH
well, it's great to confuse your opponent. plus it makes your opponents feel like shit when they realized they made a bad fold and puts them off their game.
Honestly, I think this one of the very very few times I will show a bluff. If I know my opponent has the tendency to tilt and he thinks for a good amount of time and then folds, I know he had something. I'll show him just to let him know he made the wrong decision, not to alter my table image.

You should keep in mind that I bluff a lot. Whether it be with Cbets or when I sense weakness, I bet and raise a lot. So, people instinctively know I bluff a lot anyway. I don't need to show my cards to let them know why, how, or how much I bet.

As a rule of thumb I like to follow, I don't do anything in particular to purposely alter my table image. I try to determine what my image is naturally and benefit from that. I play the players at my table and I alter my play according they and their styles. In general, if the table is loose, I will tighten up. If the table is tight, I will loosen up, etc... THEN, I try to THINK about how the table naturally sees me. The individual players matter a lot too. If you show your cards, remember, you show everybody. Some players you want to know you bluff, but some you don't. Some players will let you cbet bluff them all night long and never give resistance unless they make a hand. I don't want that guy to know I am bluffing him.
  #31  
17-08-2008, 9:12 PM
KingTurd
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i don't usually show my bluffs unless i take a gigantic pot down to the river and i can count on it putting them on tilt. i do show hands when i have the nuts when there wasn't betting at all or very little of it.
For instance i am the big blind and flop two pair and i bet the minimum and everyone folds. i will show it because i'm giving away very little and it gives the illusion that i am making hands.
this sets me up for the bluffs while not letting them know too much of my style.
  #32  
17-08-2008, 9:42 PM
gomango
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I love to show a good bluff. Just to piss them off. LOL but I muck if I lose a bluff and on ubet it is tough to go to hand history and play at the same time.
  #33  
17-08-2008, 10:13 PM
c9h13no3
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My cards are only shown on pay-per-view.
  #34  
18-08-2008, 12:18 AM
Panamajoe
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What Poker sites let you see the other guys hole cards after the hand?!?!
Even if you can "see last hand" they shouldn't let you see the other guys cards!

That should NEVER happen, they gotta PAY to see! I hope you are mistaken, but, if not, tell me what poker site that is.


Quote:
Originally Posted by RazzleDazzle
....... I personally always use the last hand feature just out of curiousity, so whether they show their cards or not, i know what they had.
  #35  
18-08-2008, 2:43 AM
dg1267
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I don't usually show my losing bluffs, but I can see where it could be useful. I'm still working on locking my main strategy down right now though. I don't bluff often because I don't really want break off of my game that much. I vary my play quite a bit, but I'm just not at the point of bluffing to make chips right now.
 



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