Should I move up?

Been playing $0.03/$0.05 NL Hold'em, have over 1000 hands since I started using PT3. I can't seem to get off even though. I found that my first 25 or 30 hands are disastrous for my bank roll for some reason, just keep getting good starting hands with good flops that don't make or get crushed when they do. I spend the next couple of hours making it up. The real problem is that this level is so tight on Bodog that any preflop raise EVERYONE folds to me, with a $0.04 rake on an $0.08 board I'm not even making a BB back. I went to the $0.05/$0.10 and it was totally different ppl were betting hard into the pot pre-flop, My hands were good to start 10's and Big Slick 2x in row, unfortunately hands got crushed on board and had to fold after loosing a lot of equity just getting to the turn and river. Moved tables and the play changed with less 5x BB raises except for maniac (he crashed 3 times while I was there) ended the session with $25 on a $10 buy in (mostly from putting the maniac all in with a set). After he left I was chip leader, played tight and managed to increase my stack some before I left. So should I just qiut the lowest limit and stick to the 5/10?

My experience with Bodog is 5nl and 10nl are just about the same. If your BR can handle 10nl then why not?

You may want to sit down and limp 3 hands in a row with ATC, raise like 2 1/4x from EP with a marginal but playable hand and fold to any pressure, if you hit the flop then play it hard if you think you are good, it will look great at SD= they look you up now.. Open up your raising range in LP - with out being stupid postflop.. Spend a few cents looking loose, you can then then tighten up, it can be a worthwhile investment. Make sure you top up.

The tables can vary dramatically so if you are experiencing the same at all tables, then it is probably you.


EDIT: Just thinking here. I play pretty tight, but always start loose. It works for me. I also loosen up against the lags and maniacs, and there are a lot there. If you are always getting folds, there is a reason for this. And it is not that these levels are full of tight players. Your bet sizing, your image, your stats (on bodog you dont have trackers, but an aware player will keep track).

what is your br? If you are rolled for 10nl, I guess you should go for it. However, it sounds like you ran well during your 10nl session compared to your 5nl session by getting good cards and hitting the flop well.

Why don't you post your stats or something, this post basically says, should I move up to 10nl, my main reason for this is b/c i'm running bad at 5nl???

^^^^ this.

And some HH's, then some more.

Tho I still think 5nl and 10 nl at Bodog are pretty much the same game. So I guess if you cant beat 5nl, 10 nl means burning money faster, so I suppose my "might as well" was very unthoughtful and bad advice on my part.

I would like to import some data but cant figure out how (usually just Microsoft Office suite and don't use social media).
I have been analyzing my data and think I have a couple of problems
1. I am raising pots with marginal drawing hands pre-flop (KJo, QJs, JTs, 44, 66, etc.)
2. Boredom single-tableing leads me to call hands like 78s or Q10o (playing 20 hands and getting J4 as the best leads to things like this).
3. The 3/5 have more nits than the 5/10, but the 5/10 is way more aggressive.
4. Bad runs with good hands in less than 20 hands I got KK 2x, and AK 2x in a row all for not (KK counterfeited both times by A first card on flop then a 3 card flush draw on turn, first time (folded) 2nd time bet strong into player in position and he folded (luckily) AK' only had undercards of low sequence on board through turns ended folding to TAG's with straight and flush draws (I've never seen so many 3 and 4 card flush draws in 100 hands like 25% and most of those had 3 on flop of which not a one did I have even 1 card of that suit).
So I'm thinking of tightening my range up and MT'ing to releive the boredom. Pro'ly doing 3 at a time. I'll do this on the 3/5 tables. Last night was a terrible run and got my ass handed to me for my LAG play.
OH and my BR was 1600x BB at 3/5 now it's only 1260x

eh sure why not

This is the first, "should I move up to where they dont respect my raises" thread Ive ever seen. Its usually the other way around and what I was expecting to see.

It seems you're new at poker. I would just open more tables and try to learn the game a little more before moving up. If you only have 12 BIs for 5nl it means you'll only have 6 BIs for 10nl. You an play the best poker and still go bust pretty easy so unless you have no problem redepositing then I would stay at nl5.

Actually I do get respect on the 3/5 (6 ring) the problem is that if I raise the minimum from UTG to Button with no callers before me I win the blinds 4 out of 5 times (about once every 20 hands), which after the rake is only $0.04 which is 80% of a BB, it's the stealing in position where I get called by SB or BB that get me, so now I loose $0.10 or more with dead flop or some type of open-ender straight or 4 card flush draw that doesn't develop. That's where I'm loosing my chips on the 3/5 tables. I'm not getting in deep with marginal hands to nits, it's the smooth calls in position to a limper with a wide range that checks and calls my raise. My loose play is causing me to get into too many pots (my VPIP is like 21, PR 17 and AGR around 47). I'm one of those who win more pots but steadily looses money.

My Range was raise with any pair or AK, call with J9 to AQ unless there is a limp and raise before me, otherwise raise 2x BB if no one was in before me.

This prol'y sounds like a lot of self justification and I know I need to change my plan and tighten up. It's the sheer boredom of staring at a single table for 2 hours that I start taking stupid risks. That's why I want to start MT which will give me more hands to play and gives me more info to process (say 15 players vs 5 predictable players).

The 5/10 has been much more aggressive and I tightened up, so that's why I've been making money there. Last night was where my good starting hands got crushed ( it was a crazy board more A's, paired cards and 3 card flush draws on flop than I've ever seen) I had a set of K's on the flop with 2 others in pot and by river there was a 1 card off nut straight draw (a 10) and a 3 card flush draw (folded on river bet), it was just one of those nights. Wasn't trying to steal blinds or play with marginal hands (went in with $9 and my stack went up/down/up/down till I only had about $1.60 left when I finally opted out). by the end of the night and around 350 hands I was down around $17

This is very good advice! imo u shouldn't take it into account. . .

IDK about Bodog but Im pretty sure you dont pay rake on pots that dont go to a flop.

lol. . .oops. . .edit: You should take it into account, if you want to become a better player, and actually beat the level you are currently at, build a BR, and then move up. Unless you want to move up now, in which case a couple instances of variance and you've lost your BR. . .
Brank gave you some very good advice,

I agree this is good advise, do you think that multi-tableing (say 3) is a good idea? Like I said it's the boredom of playing nitish tables thats getting me to take bad risks when I haven't seen a decent flop in 20 hands, so Q4s starts looking pretty good.

I tightened way up played 2 tables and after initial success I slowly lost all my winnings and lost $2 after 800 hands, what do you do when you get terrible cards hand after hand, and your pocket K's get beat every time by an A on the board? The only big loss I had was when a LAG (VPIP of 50 over 80 hands) made trip 9's on the river, other wise it was just getting sucked out on with good starting hands that busted on flop 4 out of 5 times. Variance is killing me, it's the norm not the exception when I play

Go in with 100bb's & re-load to 100 when you drop below (set to auto-reload).. don't treat ur stack like it's a tourney stack.
I'd stick to 5nl if I were you. Try playing 2-tables if you get bored.

This is part of poker. I had many times when my AQ or AK got busted by A5o or A2o despite having our stacks all in preflop. Nothing I could do about it despite being a 70-80% favorite except not go on tilt. How much are you buying in on each table? Always go in for max and dont play marginal hands. I would switch tables if I feel Im card dead after a while but Ive waited for 3 or 4 circuits without playing a hand.

Play with what you're rolled for.

I cant imagine 10nl being much tougher (if at all) than 5nl.

If you think you have an edge then most definitely move up, no reason to stay down.

I buy in for the max now, $5. I've been playing last 2 days 2 tables on the 2/5 NLH (thought it was 3/5 before, my bad). Like I was saying before it's not the one bad decision that's killing me, it's the long slow suck out. I'm in a bluff quandary now; large bets on river get folds 3 out of 4 times. These hands I am certain I have the best hand. Usually only loose to some weird 2 gaper straight or back door flush draw that was disguised. I am hesitant about bluffing because the hand I am trying to represent is almost always the villains actual hand. In the end I haven't adhered completely to Palmers "rules" so I have stolen some blinds ( Bodog takes 3 cents not 4 which is still 4 cent pick up or 80% BB ). I just have real trouble generating pots when I do get great hands, now when there is a possible flush or straight draw on the table after the turn and I have a set, top 2 pairs, or trips I bet huge proportional to the villains stack and mostly get folded to. If I don't I get drawn out on an absurd amount of the time (like 3 out of 4).

I'm in a weird position, played too many hands lost money, now play tight and don't get good starting cards enough or enough wins for significant chips to compensate for the suck. I really need a coach to show me just what I'm doing wrong, but pay $25 an hour for micro games?

well started 2 tableing 2/5 NLH on bodog today, 1st table evaporated when I was $0.50 down and I left it. The 2nd table was a whole different story. Super Fishy, guys going deep with top pair when there were 3 card flush draws on flop and 4 card straight draws. The play was so bad that I never bluffed or played marginal hands. I left with $15.92 after buying in with $5. The sad part I never had better than 1 straight the whole game. I was "allowed" to see a turn cheaply with small pair and pulled the set 3 times, I felted 2 players who couldn't let top pair go. The kicker is I played 111 hands and had a VPIP of 19 and half of those were BB's not being raised. It wasn't even a particularly good run, 3rd or 4th hand I got my straight after that never better than a set. The one funniest hand was a FH on the board (3' full of 9's) I bet like $1.50 after the turn and the other guy folded after checking all the way through.

A couple of more sessions like that and my original BR will be in the black.