River Stats

Wow! I'm checking 58% of the time on the river and winning 70% of my showdowns. I need to be betting more often and winning less showdowns, right?

I know we don't play for stats, but what's an ideal amount of showdowns won?

Also, dry roast or honey roast peanuts?

Good question - I asked the same question recently about ideal W$SD % as mine is terriblely low at 45%. I've been really concentrating on pushing this up. I would be happy with something aroun 65% but maybe that's too low. Will be very interested to hear what people say.

As for peanuts, surely not even open for debate? Dry roasted...

DoubleA, your river check % seems really high, I guess it depends a lot on the table you're playing at.
It might suggest though that you're not value betting very thin? Or maybe you check/raise the river a bit?

My river check is at 43% (for 6max), I'm not sure if that's good or terrible, or if the big difference between yours and mine even means that one of us is doing something wrong. Still, it's a noticeably big difference. I do tend to value bet very thinly and I'm making the assumption that this is what's making the difference, maybe your river check % works better than mine (no way to tell really) but it'd still be a good idea to keep an eye out for situations where you could bet that you don't already.


Pokerman, your W$SD is fine. I think it depends on how often you go to showdown as well, but 45%-60% W$SD is pretty much the "optimal" range. It should be low because it's very frequently correct to make river calls.
If your opponent bets the pot then you should be ahead only 33% of the time for the call to be neutral EV, if they bet say 20% of the pot then should be calling really wide (depending on the frequency you think they'd be bluffing). In other words, being a calling station on the river when faced with pot size or smaller bets, is generally going to be +EV.

IMHO you are missing some value here on the river. Since river bets are usually your largest ones, you can increase your profit by making a few more bets even though your Won at Showdown % will go down.

Honestly, I think winning right around 50% to 55% of SDs is ideal (lower for the more aggressive among us). 70% means you're leaving a ton of value on the table.

Right, we don't play for stats, but that does seem to indicate you're leaving alot of value on the table.

I made a change a while back to force myself to value bet the river more thinly - every time I'm tempted to check the river, I try to imagine hands worse than mine that could've made it to the river, and hands that got made by the river/slow played monsters - if there are even a couple of worse hands, I plan on either bet/folding or bet/calling depending on villain type, but either way most of the time I bet.