Was it right to fold here?

I had AA in the sb. Someone raises 4x BB and there are three callers. I Reraise to 11x BB (I probably should have raise a good lot more?). All 4 players call my raise and the flop comes 679 all hearts. I have no hearts. First player bets pot which would have nearly put him and myself all in. One player folds. I decide to fold and there is one more player to act after me who also folds. Would you have folded AA here?

It was my second hand after joining the table and I had no reads on any of them.

Also how much should I have raised on the turn?

Thanks!

Raise more preflop.

You cant fold an overpair to a pot sized raise especially if that puts you all in or very nearly all in.

If you raised bigger preflop then the flop bet would have been under pot sized.

How much to raise on the turn.. well you are almost all in on the flop so ill let you decide on that one!

You will see sets 2pair, flushes and draws a lot, but you just cant fold an overpair when you have an SPR of about 2 or certainly under 3.

Now if you were deeper, then you could fold quite easily.

What I cant figure out is how the first player bet pot. The SB is the first player. You are the SB. You are the first player.

Sorry I was on the button :s. Got mixed up, it was the second player that bet. I just thought that if someone bet so much against three others on that kinda flop aces would be beat?

Probably but the SPR is low.

You only need to win 33% of the time... even less had you raised bigger preflop.

In my opinion, what you did was correct... no doubt he would have beaten your aces, maybe he flopped a flush, maybe trips... what Im pretty sure Is that he didnt betted that much in tens or some of that stuff... you would have to include some context too, because people play different according to the buy-in of what your playing.

when 3betting someone, try to raise at least 3x there raise so if they raise 3bb you reraise to 12bb, even more though when there's limpers. I personally 3x their raise when im in position and when i'm out of position ill 3.5x-4x their raise. Again, if there's limpers ill raise more depending on how many there are

Thats just not correct.

The key point here is that by calling a single pot sized raise we are all in (or virtually)

If we assign a range of the following

Akh - A2h, KQh-K9h, QJh -Q9h, JTh -J9h
All suited heart connectors T9s-32s
So far the range is entirely Made flushes

66-99 (66,77and 99 are sets) 88 is an OESD

AK-AJ where the Ace is a heart
KQo where either the K or Q is a heart.
One or two flush draw hands

J6o One bluff

Against that range we have 34% equity and we require 33% to continue.

We can be shown a better hand 66% of the time and still show a profit by calling.

66,AhKh,AcQc,AhQh,AhJh,AhTh,Ah9h,Ah8h,Ac7c,Ad7d,Ah 7h,Ah6h,Ah5h,Ah4h,Ah3h,Ad2d,Ah2h,KhQh,KhJh,KhTh,Kh 9h,QhJh,QdTd,QhTh,Qh9h,JhTh,Jh9h,Th9h,Th8h,9h8h,9h 7h,8h7h,8h6h,7h6h,7h5h,6c5c,6h5h,6c4c,6h4h,5h4h,5h 3h,4h3h,4h2h,3h2h,AhKd,AhQd,AhJc,AhJd,KcQh,KdQh,Kh Qc,KhQd,KhQs,KsQh,J6o

Put that range into pokerstove and have a look for yourself.

I agree that you will see the nuts a lot, but the pot odds commit you to calling.

Actually we have 25% equity against that range, you probably included all 6 aces combinations instead of only the 3 with no hearts.

Put another bluff in then or a couple more Ax or Kx heart draws

Its just not correct to fold AA with the SPR being so low.

Right, I'm not disputing that. Plus, if we were going to use a weighted distribution of hands, I'd give the hands that made the nuts a decreased probability simply because those hands check to the raiser almost always (or, if he's betting, he bets smaller to make the other draws call). It's the non-flushes I think are the most likely.

The big mistake was the sizing of the raise PF, that was just a pot sweetener, nobody is ever folding.

Definately, the problem is his preflop raise size.

If it were bigger and the same number of people called and the flop was the same then he wouldnt even need 33% equity to call with AA as the raise would be under pot and so the SPR would be under 2, makes it an even easier call.

A lot of people look at a flop like this and think "my AA is no good" and they are right AA is behind very often, but the SPR is so low that you dont actually have to have the best hand all that much.

Bigger SPR (bigger stacks) and suddenly this stops being a call and becomes an easy fold.

Preflop he raises to about 3/4 pot which is just way too small.

It was 10nl that I was playing. Maybe should have put the actual numbers up here. I had $7 to begin. So I raised to $1.10. So when we went to flop the pot was $4.40. He bet $4. I thought by folding I had only lost $1.10. Calling meant I was risking the whole $7. So I didn't think I had committed enough to be committed until I called his $4 bet?

I thought the idea was to fold when you think you are beat and I just didn't think he would be doing it with anything I could beat, plus a player to act after me had checked, but he might have been checking a flush or something?

As you can probably tell I also don't understand pot odds and that kind of thing lol

Sit with a full buy in

you played correct in folding but the ony mistake you made you should have push all in or just call the flop either play would have been better to me..

+1

U can't get the most value without being sitted with a full buy in.

all in preflop.

pretty easy fold here...you needed to raise much more preflop...at the point of your action there were 19 blinds in the pot...and you raised only half of that...

but either way...you got out fairly cheap...dont get married to one pair in a four way pot

cheers and gl
wooter

Why raise 11BB
Raise like 16BB+ or shove all in, depends how many BB you have on your stack as well.
The stakes you play matters a lot.