Regular SnG vs Beginner SnG payouts?

#1 24th July 2008, 5:10 AM

I've spent most of my time playing on Bodog over the last few months. Bodog offers many 1 table 10 man "Beginner" Sng tables that pay 5 places instead of 3.
These places payout by percentages.. 10,15,20,25,30
Regular 10 man Sngs pay.................. 20,30,50

It seems that there is some value in playing these beginner tables, especially if you're not winning a very high percentage of the Sngs you enter.

What do you think about this?

#2 24th July 2008, 4:34 PM

Since 3rd place money is the same, the 4th and 5th prizes are stolen from 1st and 2nd. So, yeah, if you find yourself placing 3rd or 4th a lot, then these are going to be better for you.

Fifth place only gets your money back, so it seems like these tables are exactly that: beginner. Great for experience, but probably not the best bet to build a bankroll.

#3 24th July 2008, 5:47 PM

Its not hard at all to cash in regular SnG's, so why not make more when you cash?

#4 25th July 2008, 3:54 PM

Unless you find yourself always in 4th or 5th, you'll come out ahead in the regular game. Just look over your results and see what you would have won based on your finishing place. There may also be poorer players at these tables if they're not winning often at the regular game.

#5 25th July 2008, 9:39 PM

It seems to me that unless you are regularly coming in first, that these "beginner" SNGs are a better place to cash. You win buy in for 5th, 50% ROI for 4th, same for 3rd either way, in second you give up an extra 50% ROI. The real loss is for those who regularly win. In their case they are giving up big winnings. But those who are regular winners should not play these tables anyways.

That assumption should make these tables even easier to do well. I've never tried them, but it sounds pretty easy to slowly build a bankroll there.

Perhaps someone with experience can comment.

#6 26th July 2008, 5:32 PM

Another point to consider. If you place 5th, you are actually losing the fee, so it's still negative ROI.

For example:
$5.50 game = $50 in prize pool

Normal Table
3rd Place: $10 (82% ROI)
2nd Place: $15 (172% ROI)
1st Place: $25 (355% ROI)

Beginner Table
5th Place: $5 (-9% ROI)
4th Place: $7.5 (36% ROI)
3rd Place: $10 (82% ROI)
2nd Place: $12.5 (127% ROI)
1st Place: $15 (172% ROI)

#7 26th July 2008, 5:40 PM

These are for folks trying to build a bankroll from little or nothing. Since they pay up to 5th the variance is much less when you hit a bad run. Excellent way for those transitioning from play money or free rolls IMO.

#8 27th July 2008, 4:39 PM

must people like top heavy payouts because if u r good and know a push and fold strategy it would put ur overall profit way up

#9 30th July 2008, 6:51 AM

I play them sometimes because they seem to fill up pretty fast...it's funny how the bubble just shifts from 3 to 5...you would think one double up would get you at least 5th without playing much but the bubble usually drags on..the problem with them is you better be cashing at a high rate because it's going to be harder to make up the times you don't cash...the 32+3 is almost all regs too from when I have played

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