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| Question about 3-barrelling Are you more or less likely to bet 3 barrels in or out of position? Bluff or value, question goes for both. What is it about position that matters when you decide to barrel? |
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| Depends I am more likely to fire 3 barrells out of position more than with position.I think if your betting outta position it represents being strong.I usually win more of these kinda moves from outta position than when I have it and try this play. |
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| Yeah, I think I'm more inclined to 3 barrel oop. Mainly for value sometimes for bluff b/c as Liv says, it represents a really strong line. However as with everything, 3 barrelling is very much villain dependent and table dynamics also come into consideration. |
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| OOP obviously. The reason we do this (either as a bluff or for value) is because their range is wider when we bet. As soon as we check and let them do something, their range becomes smaller. If they check back, their range is weaker but now we've either missed value or its harder to bluff them (because there's less streets of betting left). If they bet, then their range is more polarized and there's less of it that we beat. Thus when they bet, our bluff is less likely to succeed, and there's less middle strength hands we can get value from. These days I'm rarely check/calling out of position unless I think I can induce a lot of bluffs or value bets from worse. And even value bets from worse are rare, since most players will call a bet with more hands than they will bet themselves. |
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| re: Question about 3-barrelling poker janovsky: 3-barrelling means when you c-bet the flop, the turn and the river. Boom, boom, boom. I think c9 makes good points, but I'm not sure I agree that it's obviously OOP. For those who are interested in compiling some results, run the following filter in HEM: Find a large sample of hands. Select position = button In Other Filters, select "River Continuation Bet Possible", and refresh. Note the number of hands. Add, from Other Filters, "River Continuation Bet Made" and calculate the percentage. Do the same with position = small blind. EDIT: Actually, use the Position report (from the reports list) and you don't need to fiddle around with small blind/button. Post findings here, please. Mine are both roughly 50% for 2009 (although sample size is a serious issue here). I have a couple of things I'm interested in regarding this, not the least of what the hand distribution is like in vs. out of position. Is it more polarized OOP for thinking players? This is good to know when it comes to playing bluff-catching hands in vs. out of position, i.e. should we be more or less willing to call down with 99 vs. a regular in or out of position if we know he's aggressive? Intuitively, I say in position but it's possible I just think that because I always prefer to be in position in general. Last edited by F Paulsson : 13th April 2009 at 9:15 PM. |
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100k hands sample this year of 6mx/fr (no HU) River cb possible: sb = 29 btn = 24 River cb possible + made: sb = 18 btn = 18 Is that what you want m8? |
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| Just a clarification about what these numbers show, btw: Like Chuck intuitively guessed, it's not the case that these numbers show that you triple barrel 70% of the times that you had initiative on the flop - only that you followed up a second barrel with a third 70% of the time. If you want to know how often you triple barrel when you had initiative on the flop, sort for "Flop Continuation Bet Possible" and compare it to "River Continuation Bet Made." The numbers don't tell me as much as I had hoped for, mostly because of sample size issues. I was hoping to get a good idea of how profitable certain calldowns are, but I guess triple barrels aren't common enough to really device a standard strategy around. Well, at least I learned that. Thanks, guys. |
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| re: Question about 3-barrelling poker Btw, looking at my stats, it looked to me i get a ton of fold equity on the third barrel. Maybe about enough to justify 3rd barreling ATC actually. how about posting SD/NSD graphs for 3rd barrel possible/made and 3rd barrel possible/not fired ? |
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So I wasn't really attempting to put together a one-size-fits-all strategy for how to deal with three-barrels, it was more of a hope that I could put together an idea of what it usually meant, in and out of position respectively, and I think that over large samples this is very doable - even if it depends. Because the dependables will cancel out over time but the general tendency remains. If that makes sense. |
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