Q 10 off

This is a discussion on Q 10 off within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; Can somebody enlighten me as to why so many people online have a love affair with Q 10 offsuit? I mean, honestly, this seems to ...
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  #1
27th February 2008, 5:04 AM
jp814
 
Online Poker at: JokerStars
Game: NLHE
Q 10 off

Can somebody enlighten me as to why so many people online have a love affair with Q 10 offsuit? I mean, honestly, this seems to be one hand that many people cannot resist raising and re raising with. Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining because these donks practically give their money away this way, but has anybody else noticed this trend with Q 10 off?
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  #2
27th February 2008, 1:40 PM
Emtiy
 
Yeah you see that a lot. And I don't mind that either! Same for JT, also overplayed a lot..
Personally I almost never raise with it and only limp in when the pot odds are good.
  #3
27th February 2008, 1:42 PM
aliengenius
 
Online Poker at: CC LB games
Game: ON !
JTs = the donk nuts
KJo = donk kings

To poor players, pretty much any two cards 10+ are worth a call, regardless of position, bet size, or other factors.
  #4
27th February 2008, 2:53 PM
jp814
 
Poker at: JokerStars
Game: NLHE
even if somebody pushes all in during a $30 heads up match. . .
  #5
27th February 2008, 3:53 PM
zachvac
 
Online Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: NL Hold 'em
re: Q 10 off poker

heh, I can remember when I would never fold preflop thinking "we get to see 3 cards, the odds of one of these hitting is pretty good, and the other people might miss". Of course this was when I was just playing with my family with play chips, but if I hadn't had friends who were decent and helped me learn, I'd be learning partly by playing for real money, and I can still remember, even after we started playing for real money, when I overplayed K9o, got lucky, and I argued with my friends that K9 was a great hand because it had 2 high cards in it lol.
  #6
3rd March 2008, 3:25 AM
Raise-a-Thon
 
Poker at: PokerStars
Game: Holdem, Razz
yeah, i see a lot of raising w/ 10Q off and especially JQ... i really don't understand it when the raise is in early position because any ace, king, or pair has you beat preflop, but the donkeys always get lucky vs. me it seems. when i get 10q early position i usually limp or fold depending on the blinds, but there's no way i raise with that unless im heads up or only against the blinds.
  #7
3rd March 2008, 3:47 AM
OzExorcist
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: wild deuces
Quote:
Originally Posted by jp814
even if somebody pushes all in during a $30 heads up match. . .
Heads up is a different beast though - QT is a much better hand when there's only two of you in the game.
  #8
3rd March 2008, 7:04 PM
jukachaves07
 
QT my strategy is limp pre-flop forever
  #9
3rd March 2008, 11:21 PM
OzExorcist
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: wild deuces
Quote:
Originally Posted by jukachaves07
QT my strategy is limp pre-flop forever
*raises eyebrows*

Why's that?
  #10
4th March 2008, 11:56 PM
switch0723
 
re: Q 10 off poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by OzExorcist
*raises eyebrows*

Why's that?
since he has the skills to outplay anyone on the flop
  #11
5th March 2008, 12:17 PM
Black_Fox
 
Online Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: Holdem
It's not the actual cards. It's the mentality behind playing them.

Lot's of players online are very IMPATIENT. They sit there for 30 minutes getting nothing but rags, 64os, 72os, J3os, T4os...and believe me, they are getting frustrated.

By the time a hand like QT comes around, it looks like AA to these people. After seeing so much junk, they don't realise that even this is junk (unless the flop puts down a monster).

It all comes down to patience.

JTs is a great hand to see a flop with, you have lots of outs - but if you don't hit the flop with either:

Flush draw
Straight draw
Top pair/Overcard kicker
2 pair
Trips

You HAVE to fold. You have NOTHING.

Some players do this with AK, they don't hit the flop - but play it to the river like they just hit quads.

BF
  #12
5th March 2008, 3:56 PM
Effexor
 
Poker at: FTP. Stars
Game: Ice Cream
Because QTo has awesome implied odds when playing against fish like myself:

FullTiltPoker Game #5506098162: Table Riviera - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:54:22 ET - 2008/03/04
Seat 1: Franky4Finggers ($29.95)
Seat 2: Effexor ($25)
Seat 3: s-s-trout ($18.60)
Seat 4: evildedxx ($25.25)
Seat 5: SpadesIlya ($24)
Seat 6: brkfstcook ($45.25)
Seat 7: xshameekax ($27.75)
Seat 8: briancheng ($25)
Seat 9: Sumkidd ($25.05)
brkfstcook posts the small blind of $0.10
xshameekax posts the big blind of $0.25
Effexor posts $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Effexor [Js Jc]
briancheng has 15 seconds left to act
briancheng folds
Sumkidd calls $0.25
Franky4Finggers folds
Effexor raises to $1
s-s-trout folds
evildedxx folds
SpadesIlya folds
brkfstcook calls $0.90
xshameekax folds
Sumkidd folds
*** FLOP *** [Jh Kd 3h]
brkfstcook checks
Effexor has 15 seconds left to act
Effexor bets $2
brkfstcook calls $2
*** TURN *** [Jh Kd 3h] A
brkfstcook checks
Effexor bets $6.50
brkfstcook raises to $13
Effexor raises to $22, and is all in
brkfstcook calls $9
Effexor shows [Js Jc]
brkfstcook shows [Qs Td]
*** RIVER *** [Jh Kd 3h Ad] 2♠
Effexor shows three of a kind, Jacks
brkfstcook shows a straight, Ace high
brkfstcook wins the pot ($48) with a straight, Ace high
Effexor adds $25
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.50 | Rake $2.50
Board: [Jh Kd 3h Ad 2s]
Seat 1: Franky4Finggers didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Effexor showed [Js Jc] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 3: s-s-trout didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: evildedxx didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: SpadesIlya (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: brkfstcook (small blind) showed [Qs Td] and won ($48) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 7: xshameekax (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: briancheng didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Sumkidd folded before the Flop
  #13
5th March 2008, 4:08 PM
dj11
 
Online Poker at: PSFTUBPOSB&O
Game: Horse.
I seldom if ever open EP with QT, and if I were to do such a thing it would be a healthy raise semi-bluff, I too will limp from later positions with QT much of the time. It is usually a one shot thing. If I hit either I might stick around for a turn, or I might get aggressive on a T-lo-lo flop.

CO, or Button, it's often worth the steal.

Thing with any splitters is that they must be played carefully, and it generally has to be a 1 shot looksee. It is also extremely table/read dependent. If the table is limping, these ain't bad limpers.
  #14
5th March 2008, 8:33 PM
thebilly16
 
Poker at: pokerroom
Game: holdem,anyti
Quote:
CO, or Button, it's often worth the steal.
Thats the only time i would play Q10off and thats not often, whereas Q10 suited im always a little more inclined to play if no one has rasied before me, i may even try a steal in mid pos with Q10s
 




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