| This is a discussion on Preflop open raise size? within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; I think there is some disagreament on what to raise as standard preflop and also should you change it depending on position. Like add a ... |
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| Preflop open raise size? I think there is some disagreament on what to raise as standard preflop and also should you change it depending on position. Like add a bb oop. Personally I like the small 3xbb. Seems to do the jobs with less risk and cbets can be smaller I like the pot to inflate a little slower . I also do not change it for position. |
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| Yes, I have experimented with sizing and settled on 3bbs. Exception is if I'm opening in the sb, then I go 4bbs. 2.5 is too easy to call with junk, and 3.5-4 is too expensive for when you don't make your hand. I ran well for a while using a theory that I would make it incorrect for anyone at the table to set mine, so made my bet over 5% of the largest stack still in the hand. The math just got too hectic... |
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For example folded to you on the BTN with 2 nits in the blinds, min raise. Folded to you on the BTN with 2 stations in the blinds who hate folding, you have a strong hand, raise to 6x, you have a weak hand fold, you have a high implied odds hand 3x. Remember bad players don't really care as long as it's not too extreme. They look at their cards and call / raise / fold based on them. They're also not paying attention enough to know that you are exploiting them by changing your opening size based on your likely opponent. They may think you're raising based on your cards and that's OK because that's not what you're doing. Say you have an opponent who sees every flop but folds to a cbet unless he has TP+. Against this player you should be raising larger preflop, say 5 or 6 x, and cbetting smallish on every flop. So you could actually end up opening for 6x and showing down 27o against 1 player type, where against another player type a 6x raise is AK+/QQ+ only. Anyway that was a very long winded way of saying pay attention to your opponents and exploit their tendencies instead of trying to come up with a 1 size fits all opening size. |
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| 2.5 times the BB I like to open for 2 and a half times the BB when first to open. I then like to open my range of hands a little wider. Its kind of like Daniel's Small Ball strategy except I am applying it to cash games. If someone limps ahead of me, I will sometimes limp or increase the raise to 3 times the BB. I continue to add 1 BB to the raise to per limper. When out of position, I will raise it 4 times the BB and add 1 BB per limper. I like the slightly smaller raise which makes it easier and less costly to lay down to the 3 bet. I can also raise a few more hands in my range as I am opening for slightly less. |
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| re: Preflop open raise size? poker In the early part of the game bb less that $100, I raise 4-5 times the bb - after at 100 or above I usually drop to 3X bb until the final tbl. It seamt that when you get to the final tbl, it is almost a freeroll, so much more selective aboout the hands I play. At that point it depends on how the others are playing/betting and I will mix it up. |
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| In Chris Ferguson's Full Tilt Poker Academy Pre-flop Play challenge he says to do the following: In early position (UTG, UTG+1, playing 9- or 8-handed), open min-raise with: A-A, K-K, Q-Q, J-J, T-T, 9-9, 8-8, A-K, A-Q. In middle position (UTG+2, UTG+3, UTG+4, playing 9- or 8-handed), open-raise to 2.5 times the big blind 3 times with: A-A, K-K, Q-Q, J-J, T-T, 9-9, 8-8, 7-7, A-K, A-Q, A-J. In late position (cutoff, button, playing 9- or 8-handed), open-raise to exactly 3 times the big blind 3 times with hands other than A-A, K-K, Q-Q, J-J, T-T, A-K, A-Q. I've been following this fairly closely since I took the challenge, and while I don't have a big enough sample size to know for sure, it seems to be working fairly well for me in the $2 SNG's. |
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| I think it really depends on the situation, where your playing ect. for example i play regular $2/3 at crown casino melbourne but if i raise only 3bb to $9 i am going to get 5 or 6 callers! a standard raise there is anywhere between $15 and $20 (5-7bbs) so how do you conquer this i mean your committing 10% of you stack by just raising pre flop?!? |
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The real advantage comes when you actually make a hand and get paid off because of your "loose" image. People will have some kind of idea you are playing more hands then the others and take shots at you from time to time. |
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Typically I raise 4x-5xbb (depending on table conditions-more for looser tables and if there is a total donkey at the the table who calls almost anything I might raise 7x-10xbb. Once I open shoved with KK on a table that had suddenly become short handed and the SB called with AK so that was a nice double up!)+1 bb for each limper but on the button I bet pot which is 3.5bb for an open raise. |
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| I think that as long as your raises are consistent based on position rather than hand strength you will be in good shape. Openng a pot in NLHE at the micro level from late position is almost not possible since you will almost always have a limper or two in these pots. With that in mind you should follow the advice of adding a BB for each limper. If you aren't comfortable doing this than perhaps that hand belongs in the much. |
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| People should really clarify in their OP whether this is for tourney/sng play or cash. The amount will vary depending on each and unless there is some clarification you are never going to get a satisfactory or useful answer on why each size is preferable. |
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| re: Preflop open raise size? poker Quote:
From the button you have the advantage of position on every other player so you don't need the blinds to have worse odds to call. In fact you want them to call often enough that you can flop a well concealed monster and stack them. Furthermore since you are opening with such a wide range you will probably get 3bet more so if you need to get away cheaply from a hand the button is the place to do it and if 4 bet you can do so without necessarily playing for stacks. |
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WVH has it again. You have to exploit your opponents. If you have someone who doesnt care how much you raise, why wouldnt you raise more with better hands? |
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Regarding your examples, 55 and 76s are not hands that he recommends playing from early position. AA & KK are lumped in with the others probably just to keep things simple. In his video, he states that any pre-flop raise he makes from early position represents a strong hand, so I'm guessing he doesn't get into a lot of multiway pots when he does this. (What kind of hand would you need to call Chris Ferguson's early position raise? ) I think most people would raise AA or KK a bit more, but what about JJ or AQ? If you bet 3-4xbb, do you really want to call a re-raise with those hands? If you're called and don't fit a scary flop, do you c-bet OOP? It seems to me that your decisions are easier if you get the junk hands to fold, but are not too committed to the pot. Quote:
In the end, I think the techniques in the challenges should not be thought of as hard and fast rules that apply in every situation, but they are good for expanding your thinking and adding tools to be used when the situation allows. |
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