Pre-flop 3 betting full ring game

Hi guys,

Just wanted to get an idea of how often and with what range you three-bet pre-flop. I guess the prompt for this post is that if you three-bet it pretty much screams AA/KK at least. Does anyone disguise this by three-betting opponents with other hands in the hope your aces and kings will get action?

Do you isolate specific opponents to three bet or is it a positional thing or a bit of both?

Please don't answer with "it depends" and if you do then please tell me what it depends on. What are the key factors?

It depends.

blinds are great places to 3bet because to raise out of the blinds you really need a strong hand, or at least that is what we want the guys to think. So if I notice the cutoff or the button are raising a lot I might 3-bet out of the blinds but to do this I would want something like suited connectors on 1 gap connectors. Or of course real real big hand.

The hand does not matter here because we are 3betting because of what our opponents do. Im almost always 3betting AK, or big pairs, AQ is also a hand that needs to be dropped or raises preflop, you can not just call with this hand it does not play well postflop to a raise.

so again it all depends on the people sitting at your table more then the cards you hold.

It depends

You want to 3 bet preflop to do one of 2 things, being

1. You have the best hand so u want to build up a pot.
2. You probably have the best hand and u want to thin down the field.

Position will always play a part. For example, 99 UTG is probably not a raising hand. If, however, you are folded around to and you are first to act, it probably is a raising hand.

All I would say is, however, I find if you play in ring games a lot of ppl will call your raise as it is only one bet at a time.

An any position raise hand pre flop I would guess is AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, AQ.

Remember, however, that the hand will change dramatically on the flop. So u raise strong with QQ, get 2 callers and the flop is AK8 u must tread carefully. That is where position becomes more important in Limit.

are you talking about NL because I assumed by origional post that is what he meant? If not my post makes no sense at all and yours makes better but if its NL then its the other way around?

Ronaldadio is talking about Limit and Storm is talking about No-Limit. I am a NL player but thanks for the the input both of you.

My main aim is that when guys three bet at 25NL or 50NL it generally means a monster. But the problem then is that pretty much turns your hand face up. The more hands you three bet with the less idea your opponents have of your range and the more they will treat you as LAGgy rather than TAGgy, so your big hands might get action. Storm I guess you're right as position is going to be pretty important and you want the weak tights in the blinds or as the initial raiser. Then again though if you three bet OOP that should signify real strength. Anyway just experimenting with a new play so wanted some input.

I also new you jokers would all answer with "it depends".

In NL, if I raise and I am then reraised and reraised again I`m out with AQ, JJ or less.

However, I don`t understand what you mean by 3 bet in NL

3-betting in NL isn't the same as LHE, ron.

A 3-bet in limit is exactly that, three bets. That means a bet, raise and reraise.

A 3-bet in no-limit is just a reraise. ie, someone raises from the CO, and you reraise on the button. Your raise would be called a 3-bet.

In regards to your question, schatz, I definitely 3-bet with marginal hands. Then again I play a fairly LAG game in rings. Even for a TAG player, you have to toss in a 3-bet with hands like KQ, a small pair or even 67s once in a while to mix up your play - if you show down a big pair every time you 3-bet, you simply won't get action from anything short of a maniac.

See dbitel's 3-betting light thread. Really good info there.

Cheers guys

yea its the same thing but in NL its a much much more stronger play seeing as the 3bet could be pretty big. for example guy A raises to $8 in a NL game and guy B makes it $24 and then you 3bet to $72, this is a extremely strong play.

or a squeeze 3bet is also strong where same example guy A makes it $8 and guy B calls and you 3bet +1 for the guy that overcalled his hand and make is $32 again very strong play.