pokerpro comes to hot springs

no not A poker pro the electronic table pokerpro very nice tables .
so I think wow this is my shot at making some money on a regular basis , I head down to our casino which is normally just slots and a few electronic blackjack tables only to find out the tables are $1 - $2 blinds and minimum buy in $50 , I buy in for all my money $50 , sit down and everyone at the table has $300 - $900 , needless to say I had to play very tight . PF raises were $10 to $20 almost every hand , I only played like two hands and won one to end up with $67 (total)for the night . go back tonight and put my $50 back in and noticed lowest player has $712 and highest was guy on my right with $2850 who was in his high 70's . 10 person table but only 5 others playing .
I got lucky early and was at $140 after a few hands . then I was UTG2 with KK and just limped knowing a raise was coming , it did , $25 and got 3 callers so when it came back to me I raised ALL IN , got 2 callers . flop came 9 - 5 - 4 rainbow and they put a few hundred more in , another rag on turn then the ace on the river . one guy had QQ the other guy had A3 for the win .
so I'm titling inside but know it won't effect my game and go rebuy for $100 that wasn't meant for poker but......gotta go for it .
waited for BB then hit QQ on my SB , it was raised to $25 by a guy who raised it every hand and again had 3 callers , I raise all in and get two callers , the lag had AA and other caller had K-10s , flop comes K-J-Q , turn is a rag and river is an ACE . k-10 wins with a str8 and I'm last with a set of Q's . major tilt inside but just smiled and said GG GLA and left knowing I would be back and I would be short stacked next time too but knowing I can't stay away .
very very good money to be made there but not an easy task with no live BR and not much chance of getting one except get lucky . cashed out at bodog for $300 tonight so I can play again but realize thats not even close to enough . I am way over my head but cannot and will not stop myself . I play only small stakes online ($10NL)and am not on this level so I'm here for any help I can get except the proper advice of don't be so stupid

I'll probably buy in for $100 next time so I'll still be shortstacked and only have 3 buy ins
should I buy in for $50 again since I'll be SS anyway ? then I would have 6 buy ins (not great either )
how many buy ins should I be willing to lose in one setting ?
can I get anywhere playing my already to tight game or should I TRY to loosen up ?
etc. etc . etc

I need all the advice I can get please help with your opinions

I don't even know where to begin. Just some random thoughts here...Okay, how can you be sure tilting does not affect your game? And playing with money that was not 'meant for poker' is not a good sign. You might have gotten a bad beat or two. But you probably need to adjust your play with a LAG or L/P group of calling stations. Wish I could say how. But if A3 has no respect for a $25 raise coming from the guy that raises every hand, he might have respected a raise coming from you when you had KK.

As for the PokerPros, are they ALL set at $1/$2? Seems like you're playing with people who would rather be at a $3/6 or $5/$10 table. And since this is NL, they can bet whatever they want if they can afford it. If my limits were $1/2, I'd run from this table as fast as I could.

Question, when you say you play low limits of $10 online, what does that mean exactly?? I've always been confused about this, but never asked. Like when someone says 5/10 are they usually talking about 5 & 10 cents or 5 & 10 dollars?

At any rate, I don't think you can loosen up much with a minimum buy-in of $50, especially with everyone else having a big stack. As far as how much you should be prepared to lose, I can't answer that. How much variance one can tolerate is probably a personal decision. Good luck!

not really related to the topic but crown casino has had these tables in for a while now but i havent really seen tables with stacks that big. maybe its because the pokerpro tables spread the low buyin game (1/2) and there are a ton of higher stakes live tables around (2/3 and 5/10). if i were you i wouldnt see these tables as a consistent way of making money, just a fun thing to do once in a while as you yourself have said you dont really have a live bankroll.

very true but I keep holding out hope that I can just run good one nite and end up with a decent BR I'll probably come to the same conclusion by doing it the hard way ( losing all my money ) .


it definitely is at this point but I was talking like if you had the proper BR of at least 20 maximum buy ins then how many times should you re-buy .
I found out last night the the max buy in at these tables is $200 . so that really got me going knowing that all these people were that much ahead , same thing last night , both tables were full and 6 out of 10 at each had big bucks .
anyway I will probably give it up because I take care of my mom full time and can't spend the time needed even if I had a BR . but I will be there late at night a few times when I can . I have always been obsessed with making a living from gambling since the days of the blackjack teams , I read " beat the dealer " at 12 and was learning to count cards a few years later . also tried to make living at the dog track and hi-li for awhile lol anyway thanks for the response DB

10nl means .10 BB, 5nl is 0.05 BB. 50nl mean .50 BB. and so on. So what Jaymfc has been playing live is 200nl.

Jaymfc, you need to build your roll the way you have been building it. Or stop playing poker for awhile and save your money to build it that way. When you only have $50.00 at the table when it sounds like the average stack was around $300 or so. Your not going to be viewed as a threat and like you said, they will be more willing to gamble with you.

Never slow play AA, KK or QQ in early position. I'm seeing this alot online for some reason. You are just asking to get your PP busted. Like dive said, a raise from you in EP might have had a lot more respect than coming from the LAG at the table. If you are going to limp with KK there, I would have just flat called the raise and hope an A didn't flop. Then I would have bet the pot on the flop which probably would have put you all in with your stack. Again, your stack is so small and the pot is large enough and the players were lose enough they might have called your all in. Which is really what you want anyway. The A3 hitting his A on the river is just bad luck, he shouldn't have been in the hand anyway.

You are going to run into this problem time and time again. I've always used a rule that one of my buddies told me when playing live. Always buy in for the max at a table or at least 100 BB. So for your table the min buyin I would do is $200. I don't know what the max buyin for the table was, but if it where me, I would buyin for $400. You will get more respect with all that amo sitting behind you. If you get into a situation to push, now the LAG has to considder a big hit to his stack and even if he hits his A3 is his kicker any good?

So long story short, buyin for 100 BB min!!! If the table is a deepstack table, I suggest 200 BB min. I know this is not the answer you want to hear, but if you continue to buyin for so little, you'll get no respect and continue to go broke.

This sounds like pretty much every live $200NL table I've ever played at - the majority of players make $2NL online players look like Mensa candidates.

You just need one thing to kill these games - a bankroll that can withstand massive swings. If you've got that, and you keep getting your money in with solid hands, you'll profit in the end. But you'll get some sick, sick beats along the way.

You must take abreak from the live game . You are no threat to the big stack and they have demostrated that they are willing to take big risks against the new guy. Go back when you have two/thirds of the largest stack and carefully establish a very tight image. Then you will much more successful.