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| Poker Tells for Beginners I have a new site, and want to know what you think of my new article! Tells for Beginners If you have been playing poker regularly, you may have heard the word 'tell' come up quite a few times. So what is it? A tell is usually an involuntary action that a player makes, that is used to assess the players hand. No, this does not mean accidentally flipping or showing your cards, even though that would be great for you! Most tells are changes in players behaviors or actions that give clues about the strength of their hand. A player gains advantages if he observes and understands the meaning of another player's tell, particularly if the tell is unconscious and reliable. Sometimes a player may fake a tell, hoping to induce his opponents to make poor judgments in response to the false tell. If you are playing against a rather weak, or new, player you can rely that the tell is involuntary and reliable. You may notice many advanced or professional players watch their opponents as the dealer deals the flop. This is because most players may give of the most tells while watching the flop. You may read about this later. I'll give you a few basic tells that most people will know about. 1. Acting Un-Interested While Participating in a Hand category : Strong hand This is sometimes an unreliable tell when playing beginners, because sometimes new players really are uninterested while playing that hand. But when playing with semi-good players it can be super reliable. You can rely that the player has a mega-hand when they seem completely disinterested, or when they stare and quickly lookaway when you glance at them. If this player bets, you should probably fold. 2.Nervousness category : Strong hand Most beginner players lose a lot of money, because they don't know what shaking hands or fumbled bets mean. Most beginners may think this as the player trying to pull a big bluff, so they willingly call, or raise. This nervousness is 80-90% of the time because the player holds a big hand and is excited about how much money he could win, and is amazed at the size of his hand! If you spot this nervousness, you better fold. 3. Checking, then Betting Category : Strong hand Some amatuer players who know a little, but obviously not a lot, will do this. Say a player has bet 50 into a pot of 100, and everyone calls. The flop is 7, 4, K. The player checks, and everyone checks along. The turn is a 2. The player overbets and a few players call. What do you think he hit? A 2? No way! Chances are he hit a pair or 2 pair on the flop, unless he hit trip 2's (which would be rare...), so he tried to trick people into thinking he had nothing on the flop, and hit the two, which he didn't. So assuming he has at least a pair from the flop, you should fold if you have not hit anything yet. 4. Long Time to Raise category : Strong hand If you have bet and your opponent stalls or takes a long time to raise, he is probably calculating his odds and what he should bet, so if he does raise I would usually back-out before you get busted. 5. Heavy Breathing Category : Strong hand Even though most players can control their shaking when they hit big or have pocket aces, most players cannot control their natural heartbeat. When their heartbeat rises, they start breathing harder and fatser. If you can visibly see your opponents chests beating faster than normal, please fold. 6. Looking at Hole Cards After The Flop/Turn category : Drawing hand If your opponent is looking, or checking his hole cards again, theres around a 50% chance he holds a drawing hand. On the flop, if he bets, I would probably call him if I held at least a pair. On the turn if he bet, i would raise him with at least two pair, on the river if he just checked and theres no chance of a flush or straight, reraise him a lot. 7. The Stare-Down category : Weak If your opponent is staring you down in an intimidating or aggressive manner, He probably has a weak hand. This is associated with the most basic rule of poker psychology(strong means weak, weak means strong). A player will seem tough and strong with a weak hand and will pretend to have crap with a marginal hand. if you have at least high pair, or two-pair, consider calling. Please stay tuned for more updates and more articles So what do you think of it? Last edited by Jack Daniels : 3rd February 2009 at 11:11 PM. Reason: Removed links |
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| Hey putnam, good post. I think that this is an excellent overview of some basic tells for beginners. You may want to mention that many players will be able to give off "reverse tells". For example, they might engage in a stare down to make you think they have nothing when they really have a monster hand. I once hit four of a kind for the nuts in a cash game at a casino and used a reverse tell successfully. I check-called the better down to the river, where I check-raised him for all his chips (about $200, the pot was around $300). The board was 9c 9d 10c 4d 3s. After I raised, I put my sweatshirt hood over my face and looked straight down. I wanted him to think that I was avoiding giving off a tell because based on my calling his initial bets instead of raising, I was pretty sure he had put me on a draw. I used this to make him think that I was bluffing, and it worked. He called with pocket queens, and I took down a monster pot with quad 9's. |
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Well I got acouple of questions about this because some of these things I actually do when playing live and in all fairness I don't always have the nuts when doing so . I'll just post the number I have a question about and then why I have a question about that answer, I hope you understand? 1) I have a question about this because sometimes I play at the casino (Just to change a pace and all, not to mention rather then waiting for the check I just get my monies ). My question about this is simply, I actually always "Look/Try to Look" uninterested in a hand, I mean I try to look the same way when bluffing as when I'm not bluffing . I hope that makes sense. Now since I always try to look this way (not to brag or anything I do an ok job at it ). My question is how to spot this tell, when I'm bluffing, since the ppl I play with some of them I truelly can't get a read on at all (Especially if they play like I do)? 2) The nervous thing, once again. Seriously I'm not going out of my way to dispute with you at all, but I have to ask this? You state that if a person is nervous usually they have a strong hand? When I'm nervous it's cuz a I just felt a chill or some sort of cold breeze, drank something cold, or am contemplating a monsterous bluff, now mind you I "Try to Look" and play the same way I would on a continous basis but the thiing is when you play live poker, ppl regardless tend to give of tells, yet if the person looks the same, acts the same, and plays the same game, how can you pick up a tell on that? 5) This is real question about. What if the player has Asthma? Would that constiute a monster hand? Does that mean there strong? Or does it mean there weak? I swear I'm being real These are all the ones I just have to ask about I agree with the most of them for different reasons though, I really do agree with 7 because I've actually done that enough times when I was starting to play, and was always wondering how the hell they knew I truelly was bluffing Great post btw Last edited by Jack Daniels : 3rd February 2009 at 11:16 PM. Reason: removed links |
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| re: Poker Tells for Beginners Nice tells yo mentioned. For all the beginers however pay close attention to the reverse-tell. If someon wants to induce you of him being weak then he is most probabl strong. Its hard to spot but just dont take all of those tells as 100 % sure. |
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| Good tells indeed! I also use the one of watching my oponents eyes when he is dealt. It's especialy useful in heads-up, since it requires a bit of attention. After they are dealt, if they look down at their stack, then at the table and then back at the stack - they usually have a good hand. |
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| This guide is pretty good, but be careful. When I'm playing with someone who I can see is looking for tells, I'll start giving off fake tells (i.e. delaying a while with a poor hand and then shoving, making an intimidating glare with a huge hand, etc.) There are a lot of players who use fake tells, so don't give into this. |
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| Thank you all for your thoughts! I will be updating it on my site. I am also working on an advanced tells for my general strategy section, and online tells. After I put on my site, i will gladly put them on here, if you guys would like. |
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| re: Poker Tells for Beginners with regards to tell number three I will always lead out if i think i have the best hand that probably wont win outright if i allow people to draw, and always bet when i flop a set in order build the pot |
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I think it's important to note the fact that these are guidelines and things to bare in mind as opposed to rules. I think the heavy breathing one is pretty funny. Maybe they just have an upper respiratory infection? What about profuse sweating? Twitching? Eye movement? Itches? |
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| The first and most important thing I can say to anyone who wants to learn about tells is to get yourself a copy of Read 'em and Reap by Joe Navarro. Not to put down posts like this, but it's pretty much the bible for live NLHE tells - I can't recommend it highly enough. The reason I love it so much is that it starts from the physiological motivations behind tells. When you understand freeze-flight-fight responses and intention cues, it's much easier to interpret what you see at the poker table. Now, onto the content of this post. Shaking hands On #2 and shaking hands, be aware that this reaction can sometimes be delayed from a previous hand. Sometimes people can keep the shaking controlled for the duration of the hand while they're holding a monster, and it's only after the hand's over that they release the tension in the form of shaking. Checking flop and betting turn Maybe it's a problem with your example hand more than anything else, but I'd draw several other conclusions before your one in #3. In a raised pot, unless the player's a maniac it's highly unlikely that they've hit two pair on a K74. What were they raising with - K7, K4 or 74?!? A set, maybe, though a set probably makes a more value-sized bet rather than an overbet. What the bet on the turn means is open to several interpretations - is the board rainbow, or are there suited cards out there? Maybe he's hit his draw. Or maybe he's got a weak top pair and he wants to protect against draws. What position is he in anyway? Maybe he's got a read that they other players are weak and he's just adopting the pot? Breathing cues Heavy breathing from #5 is an interesting one - I think the more reliable tell is actually very shallow breathing. A player who's made a bet and then is sitting stock still and breathing very shallow, very lightly, is exhibiting a classic response to danger - they've frozen. What danger could they be in? Probably non in the physical sense, but they likely feel their chips are in danger. If they feel that way and exhibit those behaviours, it's likely because their hand is weak. Heavy breathing, on the other hand, isn't something you'll see very much at the table. If someone's got a monster hand they won't be feeling any danger so they'll either be acting perfectly normally (being able to engage in conversation, etc) or exhibiting excitement cues (genuine smiles, the aforementioned shaking hands, etc). Heavy breathing doesn't usually go with that. Trying to contain those responses to holding a monster can sometimes result in things like an elevated pulse rate - the excitement has to find some way to release itself. The stare down Agree on the stare down, it's an expression of the fight response when a player (through danger to their chips) is feeling threatened. |
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| Am I the only one bothered by this guy trying to pass off information he's read as observations he's made? I got excited by these same tells when I read them in Caro's book and lost a lot of money following them to the letter. |
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| "It's Elementary, My Dear Watson.........." "The true is discovered by eliminating the untrue... When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." For any of these signs to be tells, it MUST be a change from the normal conditions. ~ALL~ tells are changes of habit. If something did not change..........it was not a tell. "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." In order to identify a change, one must have time and patience to gather as much information as they can to make an informed decision. Be sure you have a firm grasp of your opponent's normal actions before you decide to discern exactly what changed. "It is stupidity rather than courage to refuse to recognize danger when it is close upon you." As with anything. Sometimes it's best to simply cut your loses. Learn how to read tells for the single intent of knowing when to fold. Don't EVER seriously place a re-raise just because you saw the guy across from you raise and then started staring at you. He's mostly likely trying to catch a read on you and yours too. "What one man can invent, another can discover." I strongly suggest reading a few books and researching more live tells at local bar tourneys and casinos. For the real basics I would suggest Mike Caro's Book of Tells. Or maybe his DVD course with Doyle Brunson. "I am glad of all details, whether they seem to you to be relevant or not." I think Sherlock Holmes was a poker player................... |
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(FWIW, my comments come from having read both Caro and Navarro several times, and then having tried to apply what they've written observing people at the tables as both a player and a dealer) |
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And I never said i have figured these out on my own. I have tried many tells out and these are just the most common ones. I did not copy any articles or books, and I'm sure you haven't read these word for word from caro's book |
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I personally shake more when I am placing a big bluff. I get nervous that they just know. My hands shake, and my breathing gets short and rapid, and my heart starts pounding. Since I only do it about once an hour or so, I can usually play it off, relying on the hopes that they 'think' it's a big hand. And if they don't catch it on their own.........I point it out, and take the pot without contention. People are stupid. They believe what the want, whether it's true or not. |
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You are right........ a witty saying proves nothing. (so try reading the smaller print....as it relates best) And if that doesn't help, try reading a few of my other posts on tells. |
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| re: Poker Tells for Beginners If you are really going to try to use tells in a live environment..........try these videos of the Mad Professor Mike Caro at Doyle's Room. Since this is not the correct place to put Videos, I'm not going to hyperlink them here. But they can be found at DoylesRoom under poker education. *******NOTE TO VIEWER******* ~ALL~ tells are changes of habit. If something did not change..........it was not a tell. I do not condone the tells in these videos! The fact that Mike tells you to place a raise or call a bet based on a visual observation is down right WRONG! But these are some of the more common things to look for when trying to pick up changes in habits at a live game. And that can lead to picking up the real tells. Last edited by juiceeQ : 18th February 2009 at 3:29 PM. Reason: removed link |
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