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  Poker - Pocket Kings
 
  #1  
02-07-2005, 8:50 PM
tazztaz
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Pocket Kings

Well how do you play them? For me in MOST situations I play them the same , a nice raise pre flop . The post flop well to long to go into ! But what if before your turn or after your raise someone pushes you in for all your chips ? I know what I do 95.9 0/0 of the time ! So lets here it ? How do you play them?
 

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  #2  
03-07-2005, 11:59 AM
sputnik2
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I would go allin, the odds are in your favour, unless he has aces. But preflop, it's hard to tell. As I said on a different thread, last night I had AA, and was pushed allin by TQ, he got his str8 and won. In the long run though, it's a good call
  #3  
03-07-2005, 12:09 PM
BoTY
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I love to slow play them. Give the other people false hope if they check a pair on the flop what they think is top and start raising
  #4  
03-07-2005, 6:28 PM
trentonlf
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KK a great hand, i vary my play on them depending on position. Early ill raise most of the time so i can drive most people out, but late position if only a couple of people have called ill slow play them as ill be last to act after the flop.

Of course for me it seems like evertime i have KK an A comes on the flop lol

g/l
  #5  
03-07-2005, 7:01 PM
j1a1m1
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Everyone always asks these questions how do I play such and such a hand. The answer is there is no pat way to play any hand because each situation is unique. Thats what makes poker so great. Everything depends on poisition, chip count, how many at table, who is at table, how is the table playing? These are all things to take into cosideration, but in freerolls, KK Im all in ne position. In a bigger money trny, I might bet only half my stack or even less taking into consideration the things i mentioned above and also the big question, how does the hand look (or feel) to me? Is it the winner or will i have to steal the pot?
  #6  
03-07-2005, 7:03 PM
MicheleW
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I've played them both ways, limp in and raise pre-flop. It depends on the table I'm at.
  #7  
03-07-2005, 8:39 PM
goaley45
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Depends on position

If you have pocket KK in early or middle, I would go big raise, although not necessarily all in. If I am in late position with a few callers, go all in and see who sticks it out. Of course, the fear is always an A on the flop.
  #8  
04-07-2005, 7:19 AM
t1riel
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ensuciado
i preffer play with QQ. I dont know why, but when i go with KK always lose.
Vice Versa for me.
  #9  
04-07-2005, 1:59 PM
bubbasbestbabe
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What the blinds are decides it for me. if they are small a nice big bet or raise preflop. If they are high up then I will slow play them to get more.
  #10  
05-07-2005, 3:20 AM
viking999
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Generally with KK, I like to see a flop. Preflop I'll either just limp in or do a modest raise (no all in, unless I'm short stacked near the end of a tourney). If no dangeous situation arises on the flop (an ace, 3 suited cards of a suit I don't have, etc.), then I'll bet strongly, hoping to get a bite from someone with top pair. Otherwise, I'll bet more meekly, trying to gauge what other people have.
  #11  
07-07-2005, 6:50 PM
jj8raider
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I like to see hte flop with them, but put a good raise in before the flop, try to find out where the ace is if any.
  #12  
10-07-2005, 8:37 PM
sscrazy
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it depends how many people stayed in to see the flop. and if the other guy is on tilt. he could have caught two pair. i personally would have a hard time laying that hand down. but I have done it before. on the other hand I made my buddy fold pocket aces after the flop. There were three clubs on the flop and he had both red aces. I went all in on nothing and he folded.
  #13  
11-07-2005, 3:35 AM
diabloblanco
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Here's my simple condensed theory. Of course this is relative and doesn't always hold true, but if I raise with KK and get pushed, I am going to call. If you go broke with pocket Kings vs. a smaller pair or other hand, its just bad luck. The idea is to get the money in with the best hand, and unless you ran into pocket Aces, you did just that. Its up to the cards from that point on.
  #14  
11-07-2005, 3:57 AM
eponine0927
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I've lost so many chips with KK or QQ that lately I try to avoid them.
  #15  
17-07-2005, 5:30 PM
zoied
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yuk kings lol

it has been my experience that if you don't go all in or at least bet big before flop on kings, ya get beat, or i do anyways. i use to have a tendency to slow play em but no more.
  #16  
18-07-2005, 4:41 PM
lightning36
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You have to put up some kind of pre-flop raise or you get limpers who might get lucky with so-so hands. I've gotten torched before when going all in (funny how on Ultimatebet one hand of K-K is almost always matched by someone else's A-A).

Unbelievable - I got K-K in a freeroll as I was writing this! I gave a healthy pre-flop raise, then the flop comes with 9-9-rag. I gave a healthy raise, and no one called. Thought that my K-K would get busted by trip 9s. Looks like it worked this time. lol

Last edited by lightning36 : 18-07-2005 at 4:46 PM. Reason: new info
  #17  
18-07-2005, 8:28 PM
titans4ever
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It is all about timing. Is it early or late in a tournament? Am I the first to act or am I close to the button? The one thing you can't do is let people in the blinds see for free. You have to have make them pay to see the flop.

The one thing that I have not seen on this thread is a simple rule of poker. When you have pocket pairs you want to be going against 3 or fewer players. This will decrease the odds of someone hitting that hand that can beat your. This rule will help me determine if I should call, raise or reraise to get the hand in my favor.
  #18  
19-07-2005, 5:07 PM
jeterkid925
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Mabey 3-4 times the big blind, if I hit trips, slowplay.
  #19  
21-07-2005, 10:16 PM
AllInTime25
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when i get pocket kings i always raise pre-flop ... enough to take people out who mightof been dealt an Ace with a low kicker so they wont catch an ace
  #20  
22-07-2005, 2:19 AM
Crumble
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I'm with gfpokerfan on this one - you want to be heads up with these big pockets if you can, or at worst against 2 other players. Multi-way you're probably going to have to hit trips to collect, like you would with a smaller pair.

So at limit, where I try to have a tight table image, I generally raise if I'm first or second into the pot. Also if there's a raiser to my right I re-raise so I can be heads up with them. But if there are several limpers in front of me, I usually limp and hope for either a rag flop or one with a K in it - otherwise I'm not putting much more into the pot.

At no-limit it's the other way round... If there are lots of limpers I'll make a nice big raise and hope to either take the pot straight away or flush out the man who is slow-playing. That would be anything from a potsize bet upwards, depending on the table. But if I'm first in, I will just limp in if it's one of those tables when someone in late position raises - that way I can get in a pre-flop reraise and play a nice big headsup pot. The risk is just that I will play a multiway pot when no-one raises. In that case, the KK will be in the muck if I don't flop a K and someone behind me shows aggression.

I like KK, very profitable as long as you are prepared to put it down when it goes bad!
  #21  
22-07-2005, 11:22 AM
philthy
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KK can be played differently depending on you position. With any hi pocket pair you'll want to raise, but if you're first to act you really dont want to push everyone out, so small raise here might be fine. here with a small raise, im hoping to get a reraise my someone in late position so i can smooth call and hopefully get a heads up. in late position i like to raise big with KK to show i have strong hand. Again if i get reraised its a smooth call. with KK, as strong as a hand it is i really dont like to get in a reraise war with an opponent. if they reraise my kings, ill call and if a dreaded A doesnt flop, thats when i push. if A does, then ill have to determin if im beat or not.

my friend has a way of playing KK. he likes to make small semi-callable raises with KK in any position. Raises where KJ, JQ, A10 might call or a suited connecter could call, but rags would have to fold. Then if no A flp, he pushes big and takes down a hefty pot he built. if an A hits, then he has enough disapline to fold his KK...

with KK, i say be careful about an A hitting on the flop..but dont fear it comepletely. even with A showing, i like to show strength to represent the A, but you should also know if your kings are beat.
  #22  
22-07-2005, 12:19 PM
colin_147
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Always a tought call with these but they sure look nice, especially late tourney. How you play them relly varies, as some other members have said

If I am first to act on a full table I will call the BB, there is always someone who puts a raise in looking for a steal. Any kind of raise I would re-raise and a big raise I go all-in.

I seem to get beat with Q Q a lot but got lucky a few days ago when 3 of us go all-in late tourney, full table and one guys shows AA, one shows KK and I show QQ, shocking i know, and a Q comes on the turn!

KK is a great pocket, I love em
  #23  
22-07-2005, 3:44 PM
Silverstar
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i will raise 5x from the last bet preflop!if on the flop is no ace iŽll bet 60% of my chips.i think this is a good bet!
  #24  
24-07-2005, 5:31 PM
sputnik2
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well dang it, I always (almost ) get hammered with KK, AA and such. Just an hour ago, I had KK, flop was rags, dude goes allin with A7, and catches an ace on the river. Happens so often I'm thinking the gods are conspiring against me !!!!! lol
  #25  
24-07-2005, 7:42 PM
jorre
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I always win when I go with kings, but K10 is my lucky hand, just go allin and you always win!
  #26  
24-07-2005, 9:40 PM
pagemaster25
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pocket

ive lost on pocket aces 5 iut of ten times
  #27  
27-07-2005, 11:53 AM
jorre
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I've just been kicked out of a freeroll AJ the other one had KK. Dommage but this is how poker works...
  #28  
28-07-2005, 1:16 AM
philthy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jorre
I always win when I go with kings, but K10 is my lucky hand, just go allin and you always win!
is your name jen? i have a friend who says the exact same thing..
  #29  
29-07-2005, 2:55 PM
alx2k
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i`ll bet 20 % preflop ! and 20 % after the flop ! if he calls me i`ll be thinking about it !
  #30  
29-07-2005, 11:12 PM
teach21
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kings...

gotta play kings heads up or against 2 people..anything else is a dangerous situation
 



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