PLO starting hands

Need some help figuring out playable PLO starting hands (online, 6-handed, low-mid stakes). As it's tough to talk about ranges of hands, let's try some scenarios instead. You are UTG+1 and UTG folds. Would you raise, limp, or fold with the following starting hands:

A.

B.

C.

D.

E.

UTG +1 in 6 ring or 9 ring? makes a big difference UTG +1 is MP in 6 ring, D. is pot sized raise from early position to limit field, The rest are pretty marginal to trashy for an early position. The table compisition will help, are there a lot of pre-flop raises? does someone always raise the pot when he plays the hand? A and B are really working only 1 way so probably not worth playing from any position (with the exception of Button or BB with no raises before). C's a heartbreaker and will cost you money, E. is not much better both need miracle flops.

6-handed. Let's say we're at a fairly loose table where you see some preflop limps mixed in regularly with some raises.

Mostly folding them all when first to act except QT98ss.

6 handed makes it a little easier since you have only 2 ip on you compared to 5. Still The QT98 is looking for the 76 straight and not the KJ. C isn't too bad in a loose game with the over pair and a nut flush draw, it may be worth a limp if you are sure there are no raisers behind and should be immediatly abandoned with a cooridinated board on the flop (excluding the 2 card spade draw or KQ, KT, QT flopwith no corisponding (?) flush draws.

these hands are part of the "miricle" flop excercise test, what is the perfect flop and can anyone else make a possible better hand with it.

fold, fold, fold, limp/call

Folding all apart from D

All right, since the consensus seems to be that only hand D from the first set is playable (although I would tend to limp in with hand C myself, probably unwisely) let's try some different hands. What would you do with these in the same position as described before (you are UTG+1, 6-handed, UTG folds)

1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

Thoughts? Fold, limp, or raise for each one?

Fold, Fold, Fold, Fold, Raise,

The and with 3 A's in the last scenario should be an easy fold. You've got a dead card, and not likely at all to make anything of it.

fold,fold,limp,fold,limp

hmmm... apparently I am too loose in starting hand selection for PLO. Do you guys really have a VPIP of like 20% or less in 6-handed PLO? That's what it looks like from these examples, and that seems crazy low to me.

This thread is stupid, we could go on for years looking at lists of bad starters. What is yr point OP? Do you want to know what good starters are? Cos none of the BS you posted here makes any sense. Go find a list of good starters and work from there, don't keep posting marginal muck and ask for votes....

Posting about what to do with isn't really helpful either. The point is that the types of hands I'm posting make up 85%+ of PLO starting hands. I mean, I included pocket aces, pocket kings, a suited ace, four straight cards, and two pair in just 10 hands! If you are folding 8-9 of those hands preflop, how can you ever avoid having the blinds just eat your stack in a 6-max PLO game? I seriously don't get it.

Yes those rubbish hands do make up the majority of hands that you will be dealt
They are not premium hands or in most cases even playable.
The point that Makwa is making is that this is not a good way to find that out.

Your statement that you have included pocket aces, pocket kings, a suited ace, four straight cards, and two pair in just 10 hands! reveals that you have not found out much about Omaha hand requirements. These are Holdem hands, your Omaha hand should not consist of a good holdem hand or even 2 good holdem hands. A good Omaha hand will consist of 4 cards that all work well together, complimenting each other to give you many ways to win.
As for limping with AAAJ! Think about it! You're holding one of your outs that you can't use!
Read up a bit on starting hand requirements first and these questions that you have posed will all be answered

+1, I really wouldn't play those hands except under the right circumstances

I'd probably fold all of those except I might limp with KK-trash-trash or maybe play the KJ97. the rest are trashy. Really the QT98 is the only real quality hand.


From UTG, easily. Probably playing 70/55 3b 15% OTB.

OK, THAT is helpful. Looks like maybe part of my problem was thinking of Omaha hands too much in Hold-Em terms, but perhaps the bigger issue was not adjusting enough for position. Where your VPIP is like 70% on the button and 20% UTG, mine has been more like 40% on the button and 30% UTG. Must adjust more based on position -- a good takeaway from that. Thanks!!

fold all.

KKxx here is the only thing worth raising, you have to remember you are talking about UTG + 1. We are going to be quite tight from that position.

People in this thread. Are we seriously talking about open limping these hands? Need I remind you how ****ing horrible that is in any form of the game and even worse from early position.

If you are going to play these hands, from these positions, you need to raise. open limping is terribly bad.

KJ97 and QT98 is going to get you in a lot of trouble tbh. You have to have a very solid understanding of the game to play these type of hands and from utg it is not a great idea.

You have to be looking for combinations that work with each other.All the hands you quote are either unsuited or the combos are to small to be valuable.Any three cards the same is also very exploitable.

You should be looking for players who play the pockets you are quoting and try and exploit them.If you decide to play them the good players will isolate you and take your money