Playing Out of the Small Blind (SB)

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  #1
16th October 2008, 5:39 AM
jmasterrich
 
Online Poker at: fulltilt, ps
Game: all of them
Playing Out of the Small Blind (SB)

So as the title states I am interested to hear some peoples opinions about playing out of the small blind particulary in cash games but also in tournies if you like...
for example do you think its good to see a cheaper flop since you already have money in? or are you very tight and try to stay away from playing hands out of position? What hands do you call a raise with?

Maybe its too broad of a question but any insight is appreciated
thanks
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  #2
16th October 2008, 7:30 PM
The_Kaizer
 
Poker at: Bodog/F.Tilt
Game: Holdem
In cash - Fold all junk - unsuited/not connecting
Call almost anything suited/connecting/Ace-Rag
Raise a big ace or big pair to make it expensive for BB to see flop

  #3
17th October 2008, 6:42 AM
EvilGenius
 
Online Poker at: Ultimate Bet
Game: Hold Em
Knowing that you will be playing out of position for the remainder of the hand, I think that play from the blinds has more to do with taking advantage of opportunities pre flop than the cards that you are actually holding.

Two of the most important things to pay attention to in determining how to proceed with a hand from the SB are:
1) How many people have entered the pot before you?
2) Has the action been raised in front of you?

Generally speaking, with speculative (22-88, 10Js, etc) hands I will smooth call an unraised pot pre flop with the hope of improving on the flop. If you completely miss on the flop, it's an check fold post flop. If you improve to either a set, it's an easy check raise. If you hit 4 to a flush or 4 to a straight, it's a cheap check call to try and improve to a straight or a flush on 4th street. If you miss on the turn, it's an easy check fold without having invested a lot into the pot.

Now, with the same speculative hand, you cannot call a pre flop raise from the small blind. There are a lot of reasons for this. Most notably.
1) You will be out of position for the remainder of the hand.
2) You will likely be on a draw or be holding an under pair post flop, and you run the risk of becoming pot commited in order to chase your draw.

Assuming that the action gets to you with only 1 limper in the hand. In this circumstance, it does not really matter what 2 cards you are holding because this is a perfect steal opportunity. I would 4 or 5 bet to try and drive out the BB and the limper, and take the pot down. Most likely, you will be successful, and will have added a few blinds to your stack.
  #4
17th October 2008, 2:21 PM
Jayson745
 
Poker at: bodog
Game: its ALL good
in an unraised pot I never fold the sb. Especially if there are a lot of limpers. Its just to good of a price to fold. Even 27 can flop 2 pair or trips and if you miss you can just fold knowing that you only added half a blind to the pot that you didn't have to.
  #5
17th October 2008, 4:58 PM
jyow
 
re: Playing Out of the Small Blind (SB) poker

i did this but then noticed on my pokertracker that i was losing waayy more than i was winning doing this. it was a huge leak and ive been narrowing my range of calling in the SB in a limped pot nowadays from any 2 cards to any 2 decent cards (connecters, 1-gap connectors etc.)
  #6
18th October 2008, 3:40 AM
Exit141RTe1
 
Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
When the pot is being limped, my preference is to see the flop. Any raise ahead of my junk is an auto fold. Early in the tournement, auto fold with any junkif you can get in cheap, and hit could very well be profitable.

Get a decent pair and push a bit. My 2 cents!
  #7
18th October 2008, 4:10 AM
ythelongface
 
Online Poker at: pokerstars
Game: holdem
i would have to say it depends. sometimes i will, but i dont think its good to get in the habit of always doing it. its not a terrible thing to do when the blinds are small, but as they get larger and larger, i just dont see it as being a profitable play, at least not long term.
  #8
18th October 2008, 4:30 AM
Patrickedwar
 
Poker at: fulltilt
Game: holdem
yes alway see the big blind if no raises in font of u
  #9
18th October 2008, 5:59 AM
witl69
 
Online Poker at: pokerstars
Game: omaha hi/lo
I would call a blind and limp in if there was no raises you never know when you gonna hit a lucky flop or a BBS ( big blind special)... happens everyday all the time
  #10
18th October 2008, 11:34 AM
jvtelemark
 
Poker at: Nordic Bet
Game: Holdem
re: Playing Out of the Small Blind (SB) poker

Because you are out of position for the rest of the game I would have to agree with the check fold strategy, as well as check reraise.

In the small stake player world I am living in you almost certainly get two or three limpers and stealing is not an option, unless you use 5-6 times raise...

When it comes to check-reraise or bid instantly if you hit a decent pair on the flop that is something you will have to vary a bit, sometimes it can be very profitable just to bid instantly, you will almost certain get a caller that got KQ or J10 and tries to buy one more card cheap. Sometimes I like to play like a bulldozer, check reraise can be a very risky business, most players freeze when they hit nada, so why give them the extra chance to see the turn
  #11
20th October 2008, 8:34 PM
j0na1234
 
Online Poker at: FTP
Game: NLHE sng&mtt
With big raises i'd consider folding most of the time (esp. raise+ reraise) even with AK. But maybe i'm to tight.
In tournament it depends. If table is aggresive (like freeroll) my call ratio with suited/ Ax is higher on small raises. On big raises i fold.
 



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