Playing 99 TT JJ

Let me know if there's any good stuff in the GA or a COTW on 2+2.

Pretty much everyone knows how to play AA/ KK/ QQ. Make overpair-bet.

same for small pocket pairs 22-88-make set-bet.

But in between are 3 pocket pairs that are too valuable too set mine but rarely make an overpair.

from my sample of 130k hands you can see below that there is a substantial difference 88 & 99.

Wondering how you guys play these.

Typically preflop I will 3 bet these pairs against all except nits.

If I am OOP and get 3bet I will generally fold, altough I will 4 bet JJ (sometimes even TT) against villains I suspect are light 3bettors. (When I 4bet I typically bet 25-30bb in a HU pot).

If I am OOP I c-bet almost 100% of all boards.

If I was the original raiser and a loose villain calls from the blinds I will generally flat a donk bet and if they check the turn, I'll check behind. If they check the River, I typically will bet 1/3 of the river for value hoping to get a little value out of all those Ace rag hands that flop a pair with their kicker.

The questions I have are:

What to do when my 3bet gets called and I am IP after the flop? Both on flops that have one over card (Q76) or one 1 high card and 2 low? (A84?)

and

What to do when I am OOP, I c-bet, get called and their are overs to my pocket pair? and what happens when a scare card hits the turn?

any other advice you might have playing these

thanks

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There isnt stock answers for your questions.

This is where invaluable things like hand reading come into play, being able to put people on a range of hands and not just play your cards, i've said this a hundred times before but you need to forget about all the volume,bb/100 to infinite decimal places and move over to 6max, play 2 tables at a time and learn how to hand read, you might even like 6max and stay but if you dont I guarantee that it will improve your game when you move back to FR..........get into marginal spots, get uncomfortable and get better.

It seems to me like you continue to look for blanket answers and there just isn't any.

No, I'm not looking for stock answers. Also when you have a lot of history on a villain or you see villain in raising every 3rd hand or folds for 3 orbits you can plan easier. But frequently we are up against an unknown villain with a VPIP/PFR that is neither really loose or ultra tight. Unknowns with VPIP's of 16-24 are very hard to put on a range of hands.Just looking for some input from others on how they play these hands in certain situations; i.e. when your 3bet gets called, how to proceed on certain boards if villain checks or donk bets and what to do when flop comes down Q76 and your c-bet gets called. Especially when the Turn either does not add to your equity (a brick) or is a scare card. If the turn is a 4 and we check our Pocket Tens or Jacks, checking might tell villain to go ahead and bet. Same if the turn is an Ace. On the former I'm more likely to c-bet the turn again and shut down if re-raised. But if you fire a 2nd bullet and the turn doesn't help, are firing again on the river on a board without a draw? If it is an Ace and villain seems to be on the looser side I'll probably just check/fold and look for a better spot for my money.

I have zero interest in 6max. It is too crazy and I need time to think. Those extra 3 spots at Full Ring, where I'm usually just folding give me time to think about my play.

Well i'm not sure that I can answer your Q's then, I like to have a definite idea of WHY i am 3betting before I do it, this lets me proceed easily on further streets.

If i'm 3betting for value then villain calls 3bets wide and can be cbetted strongly on most boards. If i'm 3betting as a bluff then ideally I don't even want to see a flop, meaning villain has shown he folds to 3bets, so if I see a flop i'm not bothered about c/f'ing b/c a villain who I prev thought folds to 3bets has called so their range is strong.

Imo, you cant then say, what happens if i 3bet TT and the board comes down Kxx, as that entirely depends on how I got to that point in the first place, if he calls 3bets wide then i'm cbetting, and depending on the xx cards b/f the turn, if he folds to 3bets then I might not, as range prob has a lot of Kx broadways and plenty of AK's too.

Someone smarter than me will probs jump in with comments about polarizing/depolariazing ranges based on player types but I do not understand that enough yet, something that I am learning though.

Generally though, and it may not be best practice, I'm usually 3betting because they fold a lot or because they call a lot and in each case it is easy to proceed, I would say that double/triple barreling in 3bet pots is erring slightly on the FPS side of things and probs doesnt need to be worried about.

Since I play 10nl FR I almost always 3bet for value. For a player with a
PFR of 10 pocket 9's are right about the middle of their range, so if they fold I win and if they call I probably have decent equity, especially if they are flatting AK/AQ/AJ/KQ.

If I 3bet JJ/TT/99 and villain calls and flop comes down Kxx or Axx I'm guessing that the looser the villain the more likely they were to hit that flop and fold to a donk bet. Reason being a Nit isn't likely to flat AA/KK/AK to a 3bet, especially if OOP so a nit may be easy to bluff on that flop if they flatted QQ/JJ/TT.

I don't think there are too many 3bet bluffs at 2/5/10 nl. I actually tried this yesterday with Kd2d. Flop came down KhQhTh. Villain checked, I bet, he called. Turn was a brick and he potted it so I folded. I actually felt pretty lost when I tried this.

Im in the same boat as orange here, i dont know too much about it but i can look at the hud and find those who fold to 3bets a lot and those that have a high enough steal percentage/ looser in LP and add bluffs to my 3bet range. I dont understand why you would 3bet K2 suited i mean you have a blocker to kings but A3s would be a better option. when we are 3 betting as a bluff we do it with hands with a good bit of equity - semi bluffs essentially like 9Ts etc or A3s but i prefer hands like mid suited connectors, although against the right villain there is nothing stopping me 3betting that k2s or stuff like 8Ts... but generally try and do it with stuff with blockers to the top of their range or something that has good equity post flop and is easy to play.

Not sure whether getting into 4betting the likes of TT is gonna be profitable, i dont like doing this as i find it hard to play post flop when overs come on the board id rather flat a 3bet IP or fold to 3bet oop but this might be me being all wrong ill let someone who knows what theyre talking about correct me or tell me im an idiot there.

But yeah, just look for the guys who you can exploit, dont get fancy looking for marginal edges you're right in 3betting mostly for value but definitly throw the odd 3bet bluff out when you feel you can get away with it.

I have only 4bet TT once or twice and that's only because I thought TT was well ahead of their range. Alot of aggrotards are easy to play against postflop when there's no A or K on the board.

How have you lost $24 and $29 with 22 and 33? Surely it's hit and stack or miss and fold. Some sort of set over set situation screw you over?
Or am I missing something a bit deeper here?

My losses for these:

Pocket 3's
each of these I had a set
Quad Kings
Straight 7 high
Flush A high
Set over Set (Tens)


Pocket 2's
Straight Six high (I had set of 2's)
all the rest were from calling a pf raise and folding on the flop or calling on street when I had a pair and a striaght draw.

the book says middel postion pokcet tens you have to rasie late postion you shoud rasie also early postin you shoud just call then if some one rasie you only call
on the other hands i like any pokcet pair is good enought for me to call only one rasie becouse if the right flop came i will mostly get paid 3 and most of the time it wowuld be good by it self just take care of your postion dont put your self under the gun with pair as you have to fold to any big rasie if you check

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well if "the book" said it...