| This is a discussion on Pick a Seat within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; You're about to sit down at a 100nl table with a full 100bb buy-in. No matter which seat you choose a 20bb short stacker will ... |
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| Seat A | | 43.10% | |
| Seat B | | 50.00% | |
| Cake | | 3.45% | |
| Bastard | | 3.45% | |
| Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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| Pick a Seat You're about to sit down at a 100nl table with a full 100bb buy-in. No matter which seat you choose a 20bb short stacker will sit down in the other seat. This is the only table available, so if you want to play you must choose a seat. Seat A or B? table.JPG (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17716&d=1234924329) |
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| I would take A in a cash game. I don't want someone like that moving in on me constantly if I raise. In a tournament, I'd prefer to be in seat B, because the short stacker is more likely to just fold, hoping to get further into the money by outlasting a few more people, so in that case, you could likely steal some blinds. |
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| in a cash game, yeah definitely A. if you chose B, it would be really disastrous if u have semi-decent hands or mid pairs, calling a raise from the bb, only for the short stacker to your left who limped in, raise all-in, whether as a frustration move or a genuine trap. |
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| re: Pick a Seat poker Seat A.......... I prefer to seat loose players to my right and the tighter players to my left. If I take seat A, then to my left I have 100,100, 65, and 40. And to my right, I have 100, 100, 20, and 25. The 65 and 40 might be playing tighter since they are down, but not out. But the 20 and 25 might be willing to put all in from thinking it's now or never. At least from the left of 20 and 25 I have position advantage and can play the table as a result. Starting from this position will also increase my chance to correctly apply implied pot odds on hands I can see them play, especially if they play in the same hand. Last edited by Emrald Onyxx : 18th February 2009 at 5:30 AM. |
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| I think a lot of people are answering this as if it's a tournament and shortstacks are constantly shoving just to stay alive. well it's cash people, so they're not ! I know why you're doing this WV, and what your reasons are for choosing the seat that u are. But from my past history, and just the way I would do it in real life I have to say A. |
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edit: wow, i'm actually in shock that so many people are saying A. this is almost not even a matter of opinion, tbh. if you adjust the right way and play well, B will be more profitable in general Last edited by blankoblanco : 19th February 2009 at 12:34 AM. |
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| A is a bad seat and B is a pretty good one, c9 is correct that its not close. Shortstackers are typically nits and those are the ideal people to have on your left for obvious reasons. If you get 3bet you should know they have a pretty solid hand and they wont be floating really ever. Having short stacks on your right is also not good, unless they are terrible and not just huge nits. Since you are in position against the people immediately to your right the most you typically get the most money from those seats. If they are a couple nits you arent getting anything from them. you want to 50/5 to your right so you can isolate everyhand not the 7/5 who the only way you get money from is both have huge hands. |
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| B >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Most short stacks are massive nits whose only real move is "shove". They can be stolen from all day long from the right mostly successfully. If you get raised on a steal who the hell cares if the shorty has $10 or $100 behind if you are going to fold anyway. Plus... I'd rather have a bigger advantage over a bigger ($100) stack instead of a $20 one. |
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| Seat A and it's not even close. You want 2 s/s on your left? Seriously, they inhibit your stealing for all your late position raises. I could possibly cope with 1 nit s/s, but having 2 of them shoving is gonna be horrible. Yeah there are a lot of s/s that are nits, but there's also quite a few who know that your stealing with a wide range, and will shove accordingly. I would rather have fullish stacks, so if they 3bet me I still have a choice to play position with them. With a s/s you don't have any post flop choices whatsoever. |
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| the logic you A guys are using is bizarro though imo so you'd rather be playing pots out of position 100 BBs deep than having a simple call or fold decision when the shortstack shoves on you? because that's the alternative. plus shortstacks play less hands, so you'd probably have more hands where you're playing deep OOP than you'll have hands where you're getting shoved on. add to that the fact that you don't have good position on anyone with a full stack, and that sucks for a good player |
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And even if you get 3-bet on a steal or get shoved on its about the easiest decision making you can have... Call or Fold. Don't have to think about a plan for the rest of the hand or analyze too many boards. And even if you make a mistake OOP against these guys it's costing you a lot less than when you make that same mistake with a 100bb guy sitting on your left. |
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| Here is Paul Wasicka's explanation of a short stacker (which is what I figured WV was talking about.) "Basically, short stackers are players looking to flip a slightly weighted coin. Their whole game consists of getting all the money in preflop. Their basic strategy is to sit down with around one-fifth of the maximum buy in, wait till they have a decent hand and there's some money in the pot, and then shove in their stack." First, to me that sounds like aggression, yeah I'm sure most of the time they are nits with their hand selection, but there is no playing against that, it's constant races on a coinflip. And from everything I've ever learned, you want aggressive players on your right. People mention you can steal their blinds easy if they're on the left, but, as that is good, it matters more in tourneys when the blinds are huge and ante's are involved. In a cash game thats all your gonna be taking is their small puny blinds because if they are playing its usually for their whole stack, so your not gonna be pushing them off anything. (A) to me is the right choice, cause you have position on the ss, and do you want to keep putting a quarter to a fifth of you stack on the line when you raise, then have the ss's go all in...really. |
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| re: Pick a Seat poker just seems as if some of you are acting like shortstacks magically get dealt better hands than regular players. they don't. so what, they'll shove on you sometimes. often you're going to be able to make very profitable calls against their range. you do have to adjust what you're opening a bit depending on how much they're shoving on you, but really, a typical shortstackers 3bet % is usually not going to be more than 7-8%, often it's more like 5% i don't see how being out of position vs. the money can be better than having position on the money, as long as you're playing better than your opponents and adjusting well |
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