Pick this player apart for me

Originally Posted by c9h13no3

Stats too nitty, especially in late position when stealing.

Originally Posted by Mase31683

Holy nitballs batman. Please sit on my left. Definitely need a bigger sample size, but anyone inning at 6+BB/100 is doing just fine, so just see how it goes. Your stealing range should vary based on how the blinds play, but even against liberal defenders you can open real wide. My CO steal range is ~40%, and the button is huge.

The fact that you're so tight overall should aid in successful stealing

Originally Posted by chiefer77

I think you need a bigger sample size, not just one month, to determine whether or not you should move up. If I were you, I would try to get around 20k hands at the way your are playing now and reavaluate.

Originally Posted by BLieve

Yes this is one part of my game I definitely need work on. At the moment I still dont understand the benefits of stealing with a wide range. The most beneficial scenario that comes out of stealing is picking up 4bb with a cbet whether you hit or not. I would say this only happens about 33% (guestimate) of the time. Another 33% of the time I would say you bet 4bb to win 1.5 bb pf and this is successful. I will say the final 33% of the time someone 3bets pf and you fold or they call your cbet when you missed.

What I hate the most about raising with hands like 33 and KT is there are so few outs for improvement after the flop if you miss. Someone please explain to me the benefits of stealing more and where the money comes from.

Originally Posted by slycbnew

We generally measure success in terms of BB/100, and a winrate of 3.5 BB/100 is pretty good at 50nl+. If we can increase our winrate by 1.5BB/100 (in other words, every 100 hands our steals net off into equiv of one successful steal), we're doing pretty well - this turns a b/e player into a winning player.

Reading opponents in the blinds (and BTN if you're CO) is important. If Villain defends his blinds as infrequently as you do, you should be opening literally ATC as BTN. If Villain calls a lot of 3bets but folds alot to cbets, even better than the guy who doesn't defend his blinds.

Stealing w position (CO, BTN) allows you a lot of flexibility on the flop if you get called. What is getting flatted in the blinds pf? Did the flop hit those kinds of hands? What kind of showdown value do I have? What kind of draws do I have that I can be agg w on the turn as well as the flop? All these factor into whether you cbet, and at 25nl/50nl, you should err on the side of cbetting too often than too little. And the real key thought - the flop probably missed Villain, betting at him will make it difficult for him to play correctly oop.

Sounds to me like you're playing your cards postflop more than Villain - this will get harder to do successfully as you move up and players get more sophisticated. Not an issue at 50nl, but you'll want to start thinking about it, alot of 100nl regs are also 50nl regs on PS (not sure about other sites).

Originally Posted by IveGot0uts

I would say you're winning pretty solidly, but echo that you seem a bit too nitty and should really be stealing a lot more. Maybe keep everything else the same and steal a ton more. Stealing is freakin awesome. Its like taking money from a drunk baby. Of course keeping an eye on who's to your left is important while theiving. In all my time at 50NL i was rocking madman aggression as a super laggrodonk and that worked pretty nicely, but I'm guessing they're still not correcting to your nittier play enough to say that it won't be nice and profitable.

Originally Posted by BLieve

Hm correct me if I am wrong on the following. A BB = 2bb so that would be $1 at 50NL. Assuming 50 hands per table per hour, playing 4 tables with a winrate of 3.5BB per 100 hands would net 7BB per hour or $7. Is this really a good winrate or is this a solid winrate for someone that plays ABC poker?

I always screw this up. Two steals per 100 then.

3.5BB/100 is very solid for 50nl, not stellar - there are players doing 5+.

I understand that position is the biggest advantage in stealing but I still fail to see how attempting to steal with 25%+ range of hands is profitable. Lets say when you raise from CO or button with no limpers ahead of you then SB+BB combine to call 30% of the time fold 60% and raise 10%. Is this fair?
Their avg vsip/3bet from the blinds would be 15/5. Since you are raising with 25% of your hands and one of them calls with 15% of their hands, their range is already ahead of yours. While I am not sure how this would play out postflop lets look at the profits losses if opponent folds or comes over the top. In ten hands if villains fold 60% of the time, that is a profit of 6x 1.5bb = 9bb. If villain raises 10% of the time and you fold 90% to the raise, you lose 0.9 x 4bb = about 3.5bb. So the profit when villains fold or raise is 9bb-3.5bb = 5.5bb. When they call it is hard to determine.

I'm a nit (6max 17/13 steals 32%), my btn range is 37%, and my stealing is very profitable.

Let's say they're calling from the blinds w a 10% range (sake of argument, let's say AhTh) and we open 9c7c in our 30%+ range. Flop is Js6d3c. Who's the favorite now? I'll take btn's hand, more specifically his position and his initiative, as the favorite against most villains, esp ABC TAG's (assuming that we opened the btn and he called from BB). Of course, if we end up going to showdown, we're a 70/30 dog here - but this hand should never ever ever get to showdown.

Let's say we opened for 3x bb and it's BB that calls. On the flop, that's 3.5bb's - a cbet will almost always take this down uncontested in this example. That's why guys who call from the blinds pf but fold to cbets are so profitable. This single successful steal also more than offsets one failed steal attempt, where we got 3bet and had to fold junk pf. Obv we're going to get c/r'd on some of our cbets and be forced to fold some of those hands, so the loss is greater than our initial steal attempt in those situations. But we'll also get called and c/r'd when our 30%+ hands actually hit the board, and frequently our hand will be well disguised when this happens. Managing the scenarios effectively (when to not cbet, for example) will make you more money than you lose.

Hm I dunno while I see profit I am not convinced it as a major part of a players winnings. I will expand to 25% steal attempts and see how things go.

I am not sure what you mean at the last part where you say I am playing my cards more than my opponents. Can you clarify?

See example above. It looks insane to think you can turn a profit w a 30% range against someone playing back at you w a 10% range if you only look at the cards, but the cards are not the critical factor in stealing - it's your position and your opponents.

Well thank you sly as usual for your input always helpful my friend.

Always happy to comment, hope it's useful!

Originally Posted by BLieve

At the moment I still dont understand the benefits of stealing with a wide range.