People that donk minbet

#1 20th November 2011, 7:21 AM

Why?

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $1.14
BB: $1.22
UTG: $1.82
UTG+1: $1.47
MP: $0.80
MP+1: $2.21
CO: $2.11
BTN Hero: $2

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN and dealt

5 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, SB folds, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17)

(2 players)
BB bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.18, BB calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.53)

(2 players)
BB bets $0.02

The pot's far too big to warrant a minbet, surely?

#2 20th November 2011, 7:28 AM

On a board like this it's usually someone looking to see a cheap card but there are always idiots who do this with all kinds of random hands. Against his stack size you're better off to just call this turn bet since he's unlikely to fold if you raise but the pot's too big to fold what could be the best hand to a min raise.

#3 20th November 2011, 7:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

On a board like this it's usually someone looking to see a cheap card but there are always idiots who do this with all kinds of random hands. Against his stack size you're better off to just call this turn bet since he's unlikely to fold if you raise but the pot's too big to fold what could be the best hand to a min raise.

Thanks. Turns out the muppet had bottom pair, so a note has duly been made for future reference. That should be highly exploitable - if I ever meet them again...

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $1.14
BB: $1.22
UTG: $1.82
UTG+1: $1.47
MP: $0.80
MP+1: $2.21
CO: $2.11
BTN Hero: $2

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN and dealt

5 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, SB folds, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17)

(2 players)
BB bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.18, BB calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.53)

(2 players)
BB bets $0.02, Hero calls $0.02

River: ($0.57)

(2 players)
BB bets $0.02, Hero calls $0.02

Final Pot: $0.61

Showdown:
BB shows

(two pair, nines and fours)
Outcome: BB wins $0.59

#4 20th November 2011, 7:45 AM

It doesn't matter. He probably takes the same line with lots of random crap. The important thing to know is that he is unlikely to fold even bottom pair for any amount of money. wp imo.

#5 20th November 2011, 7:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

It doesn't matter. He probably takes the same line with lots of random crap. The important thing to know is that he is unlikely to fold even bottom pair for any amount of money.

The words "calling station" were used in my notes.

Quote:

wp imo.

Thanks

#6 20th November 2011, 2:48 PM

in my expereince, the donk minbet means they caught 3rd or 2nd pair(was gonna type this b4 you posted whole hand lol), so if you have nothing you can bluff them out of the hand sometimes, but calling stations will call all the way to try to hit the 2nd pair, or trips.

#7 20th November 2011, 8:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

The important thing to know is that he is unlikely to fold even bottom pair for any amount of money. wp imo.

This is very exploitable.
Anyway for this hand i would try to fire the second barrel. In most cases that is a block bet or at list that is what the fish thinks. 2 cents is nothing do not think of them because that is not a raise. He is a classic calling station. Can you bluff him on the turn or not? Being calm now and see what he has is an advantage for the next time when you bump into him.

#8 22nd November 2011, 7:13 PM

The min bet is generally a draw or a made but weak hand. If I have a good hand, I raise him. If I have two overcards, I call and don’t raise unless I improve. If he’s hit something but is willing to let me continue for cheap, and I have a hand that’s likely good if I improve, why not if he’s giving me huge odds?

After you showdown a few hands and prove you have the goods, then you can start bluffing a few times if he’s still min. donk betting and you feel saucy.

#9 5th December 2011, 11:35 PM

1) Mark as fish
2) proceed to take all their money.

#10 6th December 2011, 12:48 AM

Used to see this play fairly often 7-8 years ago (but usually a little more reasonable than this one) when players were out of position and trying to control the pit size - sort of like an idiots blocking bet. At the time, it used to work fairly often. I agree with the others, raise him if only to define your hand.

#11 6th December 2011, 3:20 PM

I see this sometimes too.
I think these are beginers who disregard your betting patteren.
They bet on value only, and can be easier to spot as they donk bet more than c/r
they are just betting based on the board.
It's easier to judge the value of their hand by how they bet according to the board.
More experienced players might thin bet a monster, beginners thin bet for value and sometimes its hard to know which type of player until the hand is complete.

#12 6th December 2011, 3:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueNowhere

1) Mark as fish
2) proceed to take all their money.

^ this. SO MUCH.

#13 6th December 2011, 4:14 PM

Maybe a bluffinduce of 2 cents because he can soulread and know that you have nothing. And you wouldn't call a normal bet so you have to give credit to this fish.

Just kidding

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