Over valuing AA?

If you are heads up with opponent you are going to lose ~1-2/10 times with AA, if you go all the way to river.

My question is if you play preflop,flop and/or turn correctly/the best, how much can you change those numbers?

Heads up?

You get all your chips in as quick as possible,

Maybe i missread,but if your heads up your odds of winning with AA is not 1-2 of 10,but instead are 84%..hope this helps in factoring your question.

you misread

he said he will lose 1-2 times / 10 with AA, not win.
same thing as saying he will win 8-9 / 10 times, so your 84% is the same as what he is saying.

to answer the OP, im not sure what you are looking for here.
You are winning 85% of the time heads up and you are trying to increase these numbers? Don't get unlucky is all I can say to this...

If you're going to lose, you're going to lose. Playing them correctly is just a matter of winning when there is as much money in the pot as possible and folding (never pre-flop) those 1-2 times outta 10 that you have been beaten. In other words, maximize your winnings and reduce your losses....that 84% or whatever it is will never change.

But why does it seem to always happen to me always happens they hit flush or two pair on the river?

if you allow your opponents to play to the river and beat you there, then either you arent making a proper raise pf or flop and giving your opponents the odds to call your bet, or you are getting all-in with the best hand and you got outdrawn

This is a pretty pointless post imo. How do you OVER-value the best hold-em starting hand? It's impossible. Knowing when to fold your power hands POST-FLOP on a scary board is one of the essential lessons to learn if you want to be successful at poker. If you keep get sucked out on, then put some more money behind your hand!
The general rule with Aces is to get as much cash in the pot as you think you'll get paid for. If thats an all-in, great...your a huge favourite already. If it means making a small bet to get paid off, do it. If the board then drops 3 running cards, 3 suited cards, a mid-pair (10's, J's...) etc etc etc ETC, then know when to throw your Aces away. They aren't invincible. You are the only person who can decide their value post flop. Pre-flop, get some chips in!!!

Heads up it's nearly impossible to overvalue aces. That being said, don't undervalue them, which it sounds like some people are doing. For the people that said get all your money in right away...are you joking me? You have this monster hand and you're suggestion is to do such a massive overbet that your opponent will almost assuredly fold? That's horrible advice. Try to slowly build the pot, so that the 84% of the time that you win, you get a lot out of it. If you get aces and someone outdraws you, you'll lose money, there's no 2 ways around that. The best you can do at that point is to try to make good reads and get away from aces if you think you're beat.

I can get into AA auto pilot, that would be a 4x BB raise, or more depending on stacks, then see the flop, then push all in on my opponent.

this has its rewards and when you lose, you lose big, so maybe AA autopilot isnt the best way to play them.

You can't over value them, because they are the best hand (Preflop) The problem is some players can't ever fold them regardless of the board texture.

You are going to run in to a set on a dry board now and then, and probably get stacked off, on some board textures it is just best to fold them to any resistance, as your hand is no longer that strong.

Also some players are to passive with them. They like slow play them waiting for the villain to bet, which they don't then when their 29 off suit makes two pair on the river, they think they have had a bad beat.

that is what i was looking for, sorry for wrong title(ment to change it before i posted it)

So, in the long run, even if you play it perfect/best everytime, you will have win 84%? That doesn't make sense to me because if you play it poorley then that number will go down....why can't it go up? I mean odds and percentages are huge in poker, but factoring other factors (other players, level, chips, mood, bet sizes, bet patterns etc).....is it possible to push winning % from 84% to say 90%?(over long run,like years)

Heads up? more possibility that AA are going to win the pot.
Postflop, notice if its going to be a flush or straight. What do you get with As?
Hopefully not only that pair.

While you can change the percentage, I dont think its really best to change it too much. Obviously you could just go all in everytime and win much north of 90% but thats obviously not the best strategy. Also, never folding is going to make that number higher as well, but that is also not the best strategy.

Really you are looking at this all wrong, it doesnt matter how many hands you win, its how much you win. I know that you know this but every decision should be based on that and its easy to get away from that.

To be honest, instead of worrying about how to play AA, KK, AK type hands that are a majority of posts from newer players, go through some HA of other hands, or post some yourself. Playing AA, KK, AK well is not hard to do, so instead of focusing so hard on these hands, work on closing the other leaks in your game and find some new ways to win more/lose less with other hands. While these three hands are the winningest hands in everyones database (mostly everyone with enough hands), they are not what seperates good from bad players.

Please dont follow this with bad beat stories or how AK is a drawing hand, there are 8 million threads to do that in consisting of people who dont know what they are talking about.

yea i was thinking higher win %=more money, in long run.Like pushing people off at right time to collect, would raise winning % and you would get money, instead of chance of losing. But that way would limit money I could get and I would be making them less profitable.

So, I am looking to lose that ~1-2/10 times. But not anymore then that because then I would be playing them wrong.

AA is the best hand u will ever have.....u cann't over value them, the problem is how u play them, and know when to fold them
preflop bet as much as u think they will call...see the flop and act

Well with AA you really never want to push people off hands since its very rare you will ever get people to fold better. To increase % you just want to bet more and always bet. That would maximize your percentange but is not the best strategy. I would guess people with lower % have won more money to be honest(sufficent sample needed obv.). Folding too often with AA is not a problem many people have so I would really not worry about losing to many % wise. The only problem people do have that decreases % is not raising enough preflop(ie go for a limp raise on a tight table or min raising or whatever).

First off - You can't always win. You'll lose some games no matter what.
That said, some of the games you'll lose will be with aces. But that'll be only 15% of the time, and that's not so bad.

It's a good point, that some people wouldn't even think about. I think the biggest problem for players is the fact they can't fold them ever. Obviously preflop you never want to fold them, that is the easiest decision in poker,because you know 100 % you are right regardless of the villains holding.

Post flop though, players want to just keep jamming the pot regardless of the board texture and action.

For example the flop comes down, you are up against a super nit who you haven't seen stack off with less than two pair. You bet the flop and he calls. You bet the turn and he re raises you ? What do you do? I'm not saying it is an auto fold, other things come in to the equation too, but you have to ask yourself, what am I beating here ?

Maximize profits, minimize losses

I totally agree with you, thus why I think people who win less % with AA over the long run will win more money since they are more willing to let them go.

Can't Change the percentages.
Odds are what they are.




Put it in with the Best of it.
Say your prayers to the Poker Goddess.
Let the chips fall where they may.



Good Luck



The only way you can increase your chances of winning a specific hand is to time and size your Bet properly.
Timing (related to the situation and your table image)
Size bet (Larger then current norm at the table, table image, board cards, situational factors)

If you play Aces perfectly as you were asking you may win 90-95% of the time. The extra percentage is from people folding. As an all-in pre-flop, it will always be 84% at best.

If you're heads up and land AA then you're either pushing as fast as you can or calling in hopes the your opponent will raise you. I'll take an overvalued AA hand anyday.