Ok, as were discussing this in the monthly chat thread I thought I'd start this so ppl can post there stats and see if there are any glaring leaks in them

ok here's mine for 100nl 6max over a significant sample:

vpip - 20, pfr - 17, AF - 2.3

CB - 65%, 3bet - 7%, fold to 3bet - 54%, call 3bet - 34%

WTSD - 28%, W$SD - 51%, W$WSF - 42%

Anymore stats we can add or if anyone else has comments on mine or would like to post there's for evaluation please do so.

4bet %s? turn/riv cbet?

Numbers look pretty good to me. Could be more aggro, but you 37-table, so I understand staying a little snug.

Seems like he's floating a lot of 3-bets too, but he doesn't play nearly as loose as me either, so maybe he has a hand he can call with more often?

Yeah probably. That fold to 3B is pretty low for a 26/22, but for a 20/17 it's just because his opening range is stronger.

Just make sure you're not doing it OOP so much jay.

Originally Posted by ChuckTs

Yeah probably. That fold to 3B is pretty low for a 26/22, but for a 20/17 it's just because his opening range is stronger.

Just make sure you're not doing it OOP so much jay.

So I take it your fold to 3bet % is higher then chuck?

Yea, I think it's in the mid 60s.

Good idea, Jay.

Here are my stats over at least 100k hands. I play 5NL and 10NL 6-max, so please keep in mind a nittier style is better since it's really only about value betting.

VPIP - 14.3, PFR - 8.7, AF - 2.73

CB - 50.9%, 3bet - 4%, Fold to 3bet - 42.3%, call 3bet - 44.8%

WTSD - 24.5%, W$SD - 57.7%, W$WSF - 32.4%

I'm including another stat: Fold to Flop C-bet: Mine is 75.2% I think this means I'm calling raises pf a lot and just giving up when I don't hit, which is a major leak. Thoughts on my stats?

Originally Posted by kleitches

CB - 50.9%

Probably too low.

call 3bet - 44.8%

Way too high unless everybody 3-bets really, really light or is super-weak postflop.

W$SD - 57.7%

Probably too high.

W$WSF - 32.4%

Way too low. Waaaay too low, especially considering your tight PF stats.

I'm including another stat: Fold to Flop C-bet: Mine is 75.2%

Way too high unless people only "c-bet" when they have a hand which is what most fish do.

VPIP 20.9 PFR 14.4 W$WSF 35.6 WTSD 25.7 AF 1.95 3bet 4.75 Fold 3B 76.5 ATS 48.0 Cbet 43.44

My stats have been all over the place in the last 200k hands as I've developed and tried different things. I've had 18/16 and 16/13 for 50k hands and had a 8% 3 bet for about 20k. In the end I've come to the stats above and it's suiting me. Probably a product of my tournament background in some respects and obsession with position and stealing blinds. cbet is low, but I don't cbet out of position much, possibly should more.

Originally Posted by kleitches

VPIP - 14.3, PFR - 8.7

Tighten this split up, and play more hands. You want to play lots of hands against bad fish, and they're so terrible postflop that stuff like A9, J9s, K8s becomes +EV to play against fish in position. Its one thing to be tight, its another thing to pass up on hands that clearly have a positive expectation for you to play.

Originally Posted by kleitches

Fold to 3bet - 42.3%

This is WAY too small unless the fish are like min-3-betting.

EDIT - I also think preflop stats aren't really going to say much. Like, these are small leaks here I'm nit-picking you about, and I think your postflop decision making process is WAY more responsible for your winrate.

Why not, I'll throw my last couple of session stats into the fray. I'm sorta laggy I suppose for the stakes . And this is all 200bb's deep, hence why I'm probably calling a lot of 3-bets for 27% PFR. Squeeze % is a little on the low size, but I guess its just the smaller sample size.

Originally Posted by Chris_TC

Probably too high.

Too high? Should I should be aiming to win less money at showdown?

Originally Posted by kleitches

Too high? Should I should be aiming to win less money at showdown?

You should be seeing more showdowns. You're likely folding the best hand once in a while.

Originally Posted by c9h13no3

You should be seeing more showdowns. You're likely folding the best hand once in a while.

Right but I was referring to his comment on my Won Money at Showdown stat. He commented that 57.7% was too high, which doesn't make sense to me.

Originally Posted by kleitches

Right but I was referring to his comment on my Won Money at Showdown stat. He commented that 57.7% was too high, which doesn't make sense to me.

Originally Posted by c9h13no3

You should be seeing more showdowns. You're likely folding the best hand once in a while.

What he's saying is that if you're rarely wrongly going to showdown, you're probably a shade weak/tight postflop. Its a little nit-picky, but I can believe it.

Originally Posted by kleitches

Right but I was referring to his comment on my Won Money at Showdown stat. He commented that 57.7% was too high, which doesn't make sense to me.

Your hand is good too often, you need to call down a little lighter and/or valuebet a bit thinner. For most people, maximum value seems to lie in the 48%-53% range.

Any FR Regs wanna check these out for me?

VPIP: 13.3
PFR: 9.1
3Bet: 4.2
WTSD%: 24.3
W$SD: 56.9
Agg: 3.07
Agg%: 26.7
Steal: 32.3
W$WSF: 37.4
Flop CBet: 68.8

Originally Posted by The Shrog

Agg%: 26.7
Flop CBet: 68.8

These are the only things that seem even remotely rough. But for the stakes, they're probably very close to optimal.

Those stats seem fine to me m8. Not sure what the optimal CB % is at FR though I think your's is probably somewhere near it, maybe other FR players can comment on this. As you go up in stakes, maybe you can loosen up a little, to say 15/11, 16/12 say.

Originally Posted by Jagsti

Those stats seem fine to me m8. Not sure what the optimal CB % is at FR though I think your's is probably somewhere near it, maybe other FR players can comment on this. As you go up in stakes, maybe you can loosen up a little, to say 15/11, 16/12 say.

At 100nl FR, I play 16/13 and eat the 13/10 for breakfast.

I'd say most of the regs at 100nl FR at FullTilt play about 13/10 and that's mostly because they play too tight from late positions, don't steal enough and don't 3bet enough in position.

May not apply at lower limits, though.

About the CB%, i'm also between 65 and 70% and i kind of like it that way so far. It should certainly not go much lower, but whether increasing it would be +EV is very much villain specific. What is you CB success % ?

Originally Posted by Jagsti

Ok, as were discussing this in the monthly chat thread I thought I'd start this so ppl can post there stats and see if there are any glaring leaks in them

ok here's mine for 100nl 6max over a significant sample:

vpip - 20, pfr - 17, AF - 2.3

CB - 65%, 3bet - 7%, fold to 3bet - 54%, call 3bet - 34%

WTSD - 28%, W$SD - 51%, W$WSF - 42%

Anymore stats we can add or if anyone else has comments on mine or would like to post there's for evaluation please do so.

7% 3-bet may well be OK. But for safety's sake, create a filter for all holecards except for big hands (JJ+, AQ+, let's say) and make sure you're profitable when you're 3-betting. As a rule of thumb, 3-bet your big hands always, and 3-bet VERY light versus opponents who fold easily to 3-bets. The wrong way of getting to 7%+ 3-betting is to 3-bet with a 7% fixed range.

It seems you call too many 3-bets (or you play a lot with people who make min3-bets, which was my case for awhile).

Originally Posted by kleitches

Good idea, Jay.

Here are my stats over at least 100k hands. I play 5NL and 10NL 6-max, so please keep in mind a nittier style is better since it's really only about value betting.

VPIP - 14.3, PFR - 8.7, AF - 2.73

CB - 50.9%, 3bet - 4%, Fold to 3bet - 42.3%, call 3bet - 44.8%

WTSD - 24.5%, W$SD - 57.7%, W$WSF - 32.4%

I'm including another stat: Fold to Flop C-bet: Mine is 75.2% I think this means I'm calling raises pf a lot and just giving up when I don't hit, which is a major leak. Thoughts on my stats?

You raise a very tight range, but you don't seem to 4-bet very often. What's your "willing to 4-bet and get it in" range? Mine is QQ+,AK (and will include 99+ versus very light 3-bettors but you may not play too many of those).

I think you don't c-bet enough. With the average strength of your hand on the flop, I'd be inclined to c-bet very much, not very little. Don't overdo it, but definitely look to up that number a bit.

Originally Posted by F Paulsson

7% 3-bet may well be OK. But for safety's sake, create a filter for all holecards except for big hands (JJ+, AQ+, let's say) and make sure you're profitable when you're 3-betting.....

It seems you call too many 3-bets (or you play a lot with people who make min3-bets, which was my case for awhile).

Yeah I did this, just to confirm the filter, select all hands except JJ+ AQ+, then filter 'did 3bet = true' is that all i need?

Originally Posted by Jagsti

Yeah I did this, just to confirm the filter, select all hands except JJ+ AQ+, then filter 'did 3bet = true' is that all i need?

Yup, I think that should do the trick.

Originally Posted by Jagsti

Yeah I did this, just to confirm the filter, select all hands except JJ+ AQ+, then filter 'did 3bet = true' is that all i need?

you might also want to filter separately the hands you 3bet light from BTN (and CO?) and those you 3bet light from the blinds.

Oh wow! As I thought, I run so crap at 200nl!!

100nl 3bet winrate with all non premium hands = 87BB/100 over 1600 hands

200nl = -10BB/100 over 800 WTF!

Originally Posted by Jagsti

Oh wow! As I thought, I run so crap at 200nl!!

100nl 3bet winrate with all non premium hands = 87BB/100 over 1600 hands

200nl = -10BB/100 over 800 WTF!

now you need to do some further research to figure out why this works so much better at 100nl than at 200nl. Maybe it's not random luck, but instead the villains who adapt better and you need to figure that out.