| Page 7 - This is a discussion on :::November micro ca$h game thread (strategy)::: within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; Originally Posted by orangepeeleo No your not ALWAYS 3betting them, its villain dependant as is everything, but in general with a big hand and 100bb ... |
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Maybe I am really missing something here but nothing has convinced me yet that this is a terrible strategy to use sometimes. I wasn't suggesting doing this every time we get premium pair, more like using it to mix things up a bit instead of auto 3-betting every time. In terms of value, do the times they hit a set or two pair really outweigh the times they call with a worse TPTK/TPGK type hand like in the second one? I wouldn't think so. Granted that maybe it's close enough not to make it worth it though. |
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| There are 3 outcomes to playing a hand like that, villain folds and you win 20bb, villain calls with a shit hand and you stack him, villain calls with a hand that crushes you and you get stacked, the latter two will happen a small % of the time and happen about as much as each other, the most common occurrence though will be you folding out worse hands and losing that extra value from even 1 more street. Your being so results orientated here, you need to milk fish for all they're worth, so what if you have to fold the turn sometimes after getting baluga'd, you just made him put money in on the flop when behind and he's shit enough to let you know when your beat, how is that a bad thing? |
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So if they just keep calling, you would suggest doing something like 3/4 pot on flop then 2/3 pot on turn and river? And if they outdraw you then so be it? In a 3bet pot this kind of betting will pretty much get entire 100BB stacks in by the river. |
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| Well you have to re-evaluate each street depending on how the villain plays, the texture of the flop, the turn and river cards etc. Theres nothing wrong with checking back a street if you think the boards turned bad or something, but this is where putting a villain on a range and betting to maximise value from that range comes into play |
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You have position though so don't be afraid of being outdrawn, you can always check a street back or bet smaller with the intention of bet folding. Quote:
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| In a 3bet pot with 100bb effective stacks you should be able to get in comfortably by the turn. Say you 3bet to 12bb and get one caller. The pot is 26.5bb preflop and you have 88bb left. If you bet 21bb on the flop and get called the pot will be 68.5bb and you'll have 67bb left for a turn shove that's slightly less than pot. Plan your hands and use your bet sizing to execute that plan. |
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Normally I buy in for 150BB with auto top-up on, which is maybe affecting the way I am playing these hands. Do you think I would be better off buying in for 100BB with auto-top on, so I am not scared of getting my whole stack in on later streets with premium pairs? How can I adjust when playing deep stacked? |
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| Can any of you guys tell me why there is such a big discrepancy between what PS shows as the average table VPIP, and what HM is showing as the average table VPIP? It's quite frustrating when PS is telling me that table Phaedra is running at 40% VPIP, for example, when in reality it is full of nits and HM reports 19%! |
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| Ok first should i be punishing the limpers with this hand?Thoughts on my raise size.Any thoughts on my cbet size?I believe it was way to much,because hijack either has a King or doesn't. Merge $4.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1532915 DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter SB: $2.89 BB: $2.80 UTG: $3.59 MP: $4.54 Hero (CO): $4.63 BTN: $1.84 Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is CO with 9 ♦ T ♦ UTG calls $0.04, MP calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.24, 4 folds, MP calls $0.20 Flop: ($0.58) 2 ♥ K ♣ 9 ♠ (2 players) MP checks, Hero bets $0.44 |
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as played I check back, our hand isnt strong enough to get value from weaker 9s or pairs, we have SD value and he may stab with air or Ax on turns. If turn checks to us then I probs go for 2 streets on undercards, float 1 if he bets. |
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1)There is dead money in the pot that belongs to me. 2)Can i not get value from 33-88? 3)There is so many bad turn cards that can come.That will leave me lost in the hand and give him the initiative on the turn. I understand the thought of letting him bluff the turn with Ax or air on the turn.Just seems that line will leave me more prone to make a mistake in the hand. |
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| Yeah the problem with not cbetting is that a lot of turn cards suck for our hand. I'd bet slightly smaller on the flop maybe (~.38 or .40) but that's pretty picky. I think we can still get calls from smaller pairs which should make up the bulk of his hands. He shouldn't really have any Kings in his limp/call range. |
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| I dont think he calls flop with 33 - 88 but may call turn as he probs think we just have air. there arent many turns which are terrible, an A or a Q and maybe a J, If they come and he donks then I just fold but if he checks then value bet but if its another brick I float. I dont see much value being had from betting flop, I think the value comes from later in the hand. Alternatively you could just bet 3 and turn our hand into a bluff? |
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| Is my 4bet about the right size? Would it have been better to flat given that I have position and a nh? PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com Button ($5.65) SB ($5) 21/14, 6.5% 3-bet BB ($5.21) UTG ($6.41) MP ($5.77) Hero (CO) ($5) Preflop: Hero is CO with K , A![]() 2 folds, Hero bets $0.15, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.45, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.05, 1 fold Total pot: $0.95 | Rake: $0 Results: Hero didn't show K , A .Outcome: Hero won $0.95 |
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