Middle pairs out of position?

#1 27th August 2009, 11:06 PM

Hi all,
My ? is how to play Middle pairs out of position in a cash gm, .05/.10 NLHE? I.e pocket 77,88,99. flop is like 45J T-5 Rvr- A or K.
I like to raise preflop 3x BB, but always seem to get called by 3-5 ppl & it seems like I get beat by AK, A10 or KQ, suited or un, on the river. I bet agg post flop, usually pot at each stage. I'm a tight agg player to boot!
How do I deter calls & suckouts?
Any ideas?

ty

#2 28th August 2009, 1:47 AM

i usually dont base my preflop action on the cards..but rather on position...middle pairs from early pos i raise 2x the bb and 2.5x in mid...if i dont flop a set ill put out a probe bet and get out of the way if someone is playing strong...if you flop a set...should be a good payoff if you play it correctly

#3 28th August 2009, 3:32 AM

I usually raise with those in late position, but I will call with then in middle position if there is a limp in front of me or a small raise, and I open to 3x half the time and call half the time. You gotta mix it up, and if there's callers and a few overs, I let it go on the flop. I jut like the pp for the flopping of sets, which will usually get you paid.

#4 30th August 2009, 5:20 AM

The value of mid PPs, generally, comes when you flop a set.

Of course, if you are heads up they could hold up on their own, but you are generally in coin-flips with overcards or a dog to bigger pairs.

The other thing they can do is fill in a straight, which means extra betting round before you get there, so this is a long shot.

Given that, they are not all that good to raise with preflop, as they are very vulnerable. You can't really call a big re-raise comfortably.

#5 30th August 2009, 8:05 AM

Based on the table reads and number of players you have to choose to play smart.
If you're at a 9/10 seater, then the best bet would be to limp as there are at least 3-4 players left to act and call any bet that is not more than 3xBB.
On a 6 seat table, it is better IMO to raise because there are, at most, 2 players left to act, keep in mind that all this advice is based on reads of your opponents.

#6 30th August 2009, 8:54 PM

If one can get in cheap and see the flop, who knows what you can catch.

Raise in any of the action, for me, its an auto fold. Early on I will most likely fold the middle range pair.

#7 30th August 2009, 9:16 PM

I usually make a small raise preflop and hope to get a few folds, then pray for a set. If the flop is all over cards maybe throw a small bet and see if anyone reraises, then I muck the mid pair. GL

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