Micro Omaha easy to beat?

Anyone here play micro omaha? I was just wondering because I have been playing some omaha play SnG's and crushing them, not that that means much but at low limits the play tends to be similar so I was wondering if this is true for micro tables. Just started to get into my omaha, really enjoying it actually. I know that variance is higher but if skill level is also higher then that can persuade me.

If anyone has any advice for beating these limits im all ears.

Yep, people suck at PLO. Course, I think they suck at NLHE too...

super high variance but keep in mind that cash game PLO is far different than tournaments -- in tournaments people rarely make huge mistakes postflop with 15-20 bbs, it's a lot different in cash when you have 150+ bbs; also obviously full ring is different than 6 max.

No variance in micro PLO, everyone sucks

I play micro Omaha and overall the skill level is
atrocious and the varience isnt just higher
than NL it is on another planet, it is ridiculous

a couple of tips when learning to play micro Omaha cash games
is to buy in for the minimum cos you will find you will
find yourself allin post flop 10 times more than in
NL and if the poker gods are not smiling on you it can be
brutal. I would say you need at least twice as big a
bankroll to play NL and that is the minimum

and I find you cannot play too tight at micro levels,
pre flop hand selection is crucial and post flop only
bet when you have the nuts and bet nut draws cos
most of the times when you have the nuts you will
get paid out

and position is even more crucial in Omaha than NL

this is only the way I play, I am sure someone else will
tell you to play completely different but it works for me

I am not a big winning player but I am a winning player
at micro Omaha

anyhow I hope these tips help a little and good luck,
hope to see you on an Omaha table soon

^^ is how I used to play omaha but I think you can play a wider range to take advantage of how badly people play.

yes, position is uber important. Hand selection is key and must be the first thing you master. A huge part of it is simply understanding what types of hands flop big equity and play well against people overplaying some NLHE hand. when facing a raise from a nit 8765 double suited is going to play infinitely better than KK84.

reads are super important: you need to know who only bets the nuts (they are also terrified of the nuts 100% of the time) and who will stack off with an overpair.

Look people are too tight. Second nuts is a pretty good hand, so is third and so is fourth. It is all relative. You should not just automatically look to pot control with non nut type hands. Read the situation, in most cases its like holdem, bet until you have a reason not to bet.

I do agree with good bankroll management (25 buyins playing a TAG style should be enough for 2-10plo), but I highly disagree with shortstacking micro PLO. Yes, the variance is higher, but your edge against fully stack fish is only maximized when you also are fully stacked. You don't want to be sitting with the minimum when an aggrotard on your right is more than happy to stack off with an overpair or bottom two basically drawing dead and betting into your nuts.

I don't know how many times I've seen a table where some luckbox was sitting with 500+bb and happy to play for stacks with terribad holdings. Just as with any type of poker, get a read on your villain and play accordingly. If you get sucked out on by some sort of runner runner zero-outter, just be happy you've found a fish that is ready to pay you off when his luck runs out.

Just listen to Marginal, ignore everyone else. Don't mean to be a dick... but some crazy bad advice floating in this thread.

*COUGH*

my advice was good/standard/basic.

oh and yes. playing PLO shortstacked vs. bad players is insane. There are hugely profitable spots where you can get someone to fold ~45% equity or so (even if they don't realize it) that you just get called down on with 50 BBs. Other spots where you have the nut straight w/redraw and someone will stick in 200 BBs with just the nut straight and you can freeroll the sh1t out of them for huge monies.

Also, in PLO (unlike hold'em) there are many, many times when you've still got 50% equity with draws on the turn where calling may be preferable to jamming and you will still stack villain's top set or something when you make your hand and save a buy-in when you brick.

good example of a hand where someone stacks off really bad and the 6th nuts is good -- ZOMG overpair +FD = arr-in!

$0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
FullTiltPoker
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG GoAwayRightNow ($19.61)
CO kyveri ($10)
BTN Eskimo Tom ($11.45)
SB Matt_Q84 ($10.08)
BB Hero ($15.77)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 5 players) Hero is BB K♣ 7♣ A♦ 3♥
GoAwayRightNow raises to $0.30, kyveri raises to $1.05, 2 folds, Hero folds, GoAwayRightNow calls $0.75

Main Pot : ($2.25)
GoAwayRightNow: -$0.24 EV (36.20%)
: +$1.44 EV (63.80%)

Flop: 5♦ 5♣ 3♣ ($2.25, 2 players)
GoAwayRightNow checks, kyveri checks

Main Pot : ($2.25)
GoAwayRightNow: +$1.00 EV (44.50%)
kyveri: +$1.25 EV (55.50%)

Turn: 2♠ ($2.25, 2 players)
GoAwayRightNow checks, kyveri bets $1.20, GoAwayRightNow raises to $3, kyveri goes all-in $8.95, GoAwayRightNow calls $5.95

Main Pot : ($20.15)
GoAwayRightNow: +$8.92 EV (88.70%)
kyveri: -$7.72 EV (11.30%)

River: K♠ ($20.15, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Main Pot : ($20.15)
GoAwayRightNow: +$20.15 EV (100.00%)
kyveri: +$0.00 EV (0.00%)

Final Pot: $20.15
GoAwayRightNow shows a straight, Six high
A♣ 4♥ 9♣ 6♣
kyveri shows two pair, Queens and Fives
7♦ J♣ Q♦ Q♣

GoAwayRightNow wins $18.81 (net +$8.81)

kyveri lost $10

short stacking when learning the game is certainly not
insane it is good bankroll sense and to say there is
no varience in micro PLO cos all players are terrible
is complete rubbish

It's possible to practice good BRM and buyin for 100 BBs. PLO is a postflop game and shortstacking doesn't you anything other than to go all in on the flop.

I agree with most comments posted on here that you really shouldnt raise pre-flop in omaha and wait to see if you hit the nuts because it can get really crazy and next thing you know your calling something like 10 15 dollars with a 2 pair or open end against a boat on the flop.it gets crazy in omaha

This shows how little you understand about variance.

1) Variance you experience is a function of how big your edge is. If you buy in short, you are almost certainly decreasing your edge (because when opponents make mistakes, they can only make them for your tiny stack, rather than 100-200 bb's).

2) The variance you experience playing poker is more a function of the big blind than your stack size. The average pot size is mostly what determines the variance you experience, and the majority of the pots are not all in situations.

3) By playing a shorter stack, you will become committed much quicker. Thus, you will actually end up all in on the flop (or preflop) FAR more often. And the edges in PLO preflop & on the flop are usually not very large, or at least not as large as hold'em.

Therefore, buying in short likely doesn't affect your bankroll management all that much, and mostly you're just costing yourself money.

This is rubbish. Raising preflop in pot-limit games is essential in order to make a pot size favorable to get all in by the river. Additionally, 3-betting preflop allows you to make a stack size favorable to stacking off on the flop, which you may want to do if your hand flops strongly. And then there are all the other read dependent reasons to raise/re-raise preflop (knock players out, get initiative, ect.).

These are the types of thoughts new players to no-limit hold'em have. They're very weak-tight. They want to limp in, and make strong hands that are easy to play. And because of this, they're exceptionally exploitable. The same goes for Omaha.

How about not posting. Raise preflop and 3 bet a lot as well. Again, nut peddling is horrible advise. Allows people to play perfectly against you.

yeah if I get 3-bet by the blinds and we're deep I will 4-bet them like 100%.

And now you are being 100% exploitable. CONGRATS!!!

the mistakes 10PLO players make in response to 4-bets is going to outweigh being exploitable, no?

they 5-bet AAxx
fold a ton
flat a lot and play badly

if you have alot of time to put into poker would it be more profitable to master nl holdem or omaha?

No because if I know you are 4 betting 100% and folding to 5 bets. Im 5 bet jamming you with a HUGE range to the point that you are never going to be able to be profitable once we see a flop.

i actually can't remember ever folding a hand in PLO.
it may have happened once or twice?

anyway, i don't think there is anyone in your class at 10-50 PLO.

Yes there are, I suck at the game. Its all over the internet.

i dont know if that right micro omaha is easy to beat there in any micro game there is more coin flips and it is hard to move some one off his hand in this low stakes and poeple tend to gamble more and make hero calles more often i think that micro is another way of rooling the dice you need less skilles as just know your odds and go with it

omaha, 100%. but it is also harder to master and has more variance, meaning you may also lose quite a bit even when you have a big edge.

There's also not as many good PLO games running. A lot of live casinos don't even spread it. But for online play, at least right now, you can obtain higher win rates with PLO.

if you buy in for the minimum, you have to play like this:

1. sit to the *right* of aggressive players.
2. wait for AAxx and just limp, hoping somebody to raise the pot
3. reraise the pot, put as much money as you can into the pot
4. leave the table and rebuy with the minimum.

I think that's the only way you can be profitable with minimum buy in for PLO

Really? Why would you want this?

If you are going to play any game you want the best advantage you can have. And that also means buying in for the max. If you are learning and don't want to risk your whole bankroll play the shallow stack tables at FT. They meet your requirement.

If you think PLO is just a post flop game then you will be a losing player. It's a complete game, pre and post flop.

This is good advice. If you have a playable hand you want that flop pot built.

Omaha helps your HE game. HE hurts your Omaha game.

Let me know what tables you play. I can always use another ATM.

Omaha is not for sissies. You can be the favorite all the way to the river with 26 outs to the nut hand and still Lady Luck pisses in your beer. Be prepared for some major swings. I play the shallow stack tables to limit that a bit.

qft

cuz you want one of them to raise your limp when you have AAxx

Im a novice at PLO but this cant be correct, can it?

it isnt, just ignore that post.