I'm a few time zones ahead of most of you, so it's already March here...

If you didn't see the stuff regarding the MrMucketts MTT, pls view the Feb cash game thread - including FP's clarification on his offer for a coaching session for the winner if the winner donates his winnings for a worthy cause.

in.

and i will be in the mrmuckets tourney as well, although its still got another 6 days to go.

First area of discussion for the month, button 3-betting.

I'd like some of you to list your typical 3-betting range on the button vs. an aggressive CO raiser.

How does your range change when he has a high Fold to 3-bet? Low?

Also, please post WHY you're 3-betting the hands you're 3-betting.

Originally Posted by dsvw56

First area of discussion for the month, button 3-betting.

I'd like some of you to list your typical 3-betting range on the button vs. an aggressive CO raiser.

How does your range change when he has a high Fold to 3-bet? Low?

Also, please post WHY you're 3-betting the hands you're 3-betting.

Nice. I'm going to refrain from answering for the moment, I'm very interested in this and have been thinking alot about it, so I don't want to say anything yet - but I'd like to add to the "how does your range change" if he has a high 4bet...

hello march, try not to suck

March is my birth month. So I plan to break even harder than I have ever broken even before!

Originally Posted by dsvw56

How does your range change when he has a high Fold to 3-bet?

Decrease our value range and widen our bluff range.
we can start bluffing him more(eg 3betting complete junk, or some small PPs/SCs for the extra litle equity).
Might flatt AA/KK sometimes asuming he is aggro postflop.

Originally Posted by dsvw56

Low?

I open my value range alot, to like 77+,AJ+,KQ since he is gonna be flatting OOP.
Might also increase my bluff range aswell if villain plays pretty straight forward fit/fold postflop since if he does that we can just 3bet atc, cbet, profit.

going to win at least 28 dollars this month, book it

Sounds good switch. You have inspired me. That will be my actual March goal. Lol. Break Even? Schmake Schmeven!

i am 4 hours in march already when i post this, i was really waiting for this month, but man, have i started bad already.4 times i got it all in with AA and won only once, only 1 time i got it in with kk and lost it, 2000 hands, profit 3$

really hope things will change because the end of february was pretty bad for me. and happy birthday mr, cAPSLOCK.

good luck to all in march

Originally Posted by dsvw56

First area of discussion for the month, button 3-betting.

I'd like some of you to list your typical 3-betting range on the button vs. an aggressive CO raiser.

TT+,AJ+,KQ

How does your range change when he has a high Fold to 3-bet? Low?

High fold to 3B = wider range, something like 77+, AT+, KQ+
Low fold to 3B = JJ+, AK

Also, please post WHY you're 3-betting the hands you're 3-betting.

3B wider when he has a high fold to 3B as we can take it down with ATC essentially. When he comes along for the ride hes repping a good hand QQ+/AK so need to be careful. Then we take him to value town when he has a low fold to 3B as he's 3betting with a wide range of hands that we can extract value from.

Goals for March
-Stay above breakeven and head towards $250BR for $10NL
-Put in at least 15k hands with uni starting up
-Continue being aggressive and working on extracting value
-Stop looking up people with TPTK
-Stop stacking off with TPTK
-Implement and stick to a 4BI daily stoploss

HOW NOT TO PLAY PKT KINGs!

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+2: $10.60
MP1: $4.34
MP2: $11.83
CO: $15.43
Hero (BTN): $12.77
SB: $20.16
BB: $13.38
UTG: $10.00
UTG+1: $10.66

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with T♠ T♦
6 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, SB calls $0.30, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.80) Q♣ 4♠ 7♥ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.80) 5♣ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.80) 8♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $0.80
Hero shows T♠ T♦ (a pair of Tens)
SB shows K♦ K♣ (a pair of Kings)
SB wins $0.75
(Rake: $0.05)

So far so good

Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (UTG) ($3.83)
UTG+1 ($1.25)
MP1 ($1.67)
MP2 ($4.67)
MP3 ($0.73)
CO ($3.04)
Button ($5)
SB ($4.52)
BB ($4.37)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10, 10
Hero bets $0.08, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.08, MP2 calls $0.08, MP3 calls $0.08, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.35) 8, 6, 10 (4 players)
Hero bets $0.12, MP1 raises to $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, MP1 raises to $1.59 (All-In), MP2 calls $1.29, Hero raises to $3.75 (All-In), MP2 calls $2.16

Turn: ($9.44) K (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($9.44) 7 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $9.44 | Rake: $0.45

Results:
Hero had 10, 10 (three of a kind, tens).
MP1 had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
MP2 had A, Q (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Hero won $8.99

Originally Posted by slycbnew

If you didn't see the stuff regarding the MrMucketts MTT,

I'm in...

Originally Posted by marknz88

High fold to 3B = wider range, something like 77+, AT+, KQ+
Low fold to 3B = JJ+, AK

i think you're pretty off here. high fold to 3bet means you can 3bet more yes, but leaning towards 3betting with hands that aren't good enough to call with (in other words 3betting light), until they adjust. you can conceivably 3bet stuff like KQ or 88 if they're folding so much that it's super profitable right off the bat, but you just have to realize that you'd be turning those hands into bluffs. and due to the fact that most people will adjust eventually if you keep doing it, it usually makes more sense to put a hand like KQ or 88 in your calling range against an LP raise, since they're generally +EV to play as a call, while 3betting a very polarized range and increasing how much longer you can get away with robbing them

and against someone with a low fold to 3bet is actually where you can widen your value range, so JJ+, AK is a bit on the overly tight side

March goals. Lots of volume, achieve lowest level of ironman at least. That's the plan, tho it never works out that way......

Agree with combuboom on marknz88's 3-betting range being hella horrible.

Lets ship the 5K month in March. Plus, I turn 26, so I should be older and wiser.

Originally Posted by coolnout

March goals. Lots of volume, achieve lowest level of ironman at least. That's the plan, tho it never works out that way......

Hey, that's my goal, too! Good luck!

RF

My only goal is to play 25K+ hands and make some money.

i think id like to have this graph again for march.

also maybe take my first shot EVER at 25NL in mid march

Originally Posted by c9h13no3

Agree with combuboom on marknz88's 3-betting range being hella horrible.

I kinda understand the points made by blankoblanco.

So if we get re-raised with our 'light 3bets' we are insta folding since these hands aren't good enough to call with in the first place? And if we are three betting light, then should we be calling some big hands like sindri mentioned, to help polarise (is this considered polarising?) our range?

For the villains with low fold to 3bets, what range are we talking about as a 'value range' 88+,AJ+ kinda stuff?

+$3K in Feb. for best month ever (ran hot, only 20K hands).

Goal for March is to play 25K hands so I don't have to give you guys $25.

Originally Posted by marknz88

I kinda understand the points made by blankoblanco.

So if we get re-raised with our 'light 3bets' we are insta folding since these hands aren't good enough to call with in the first place? And if we are three betting light, then should we be calling some big hands like sindri mentioned, to help polarise (is this considered polarising?) our range?

For the villains with low fold to 3bets, what range are we talking about as a 'value range' 88+,AJ+ kinda stuff?

If our light 3bets get 4bet we obvs fold, but there could possibly be spots when villain is starting to light 4bet u in which case 5beting/shove bluffing is super sexy, but villains that realize where 3betting them light, adjust by light 4betting us are not gonna be very common, and in any case when we realize he realize where light 3betting him and adjusts by 4betting a wider range we just counter adjust by stoping the light 3bets and widen our value 3bet range to range that plays well against his.
lol i just read what i wrote here and it sounds super dumb :S.

Flatting big hands is fine sometimes, epsecialy,if villain has high fold to 3bet, where IP, and he is aggro/spewy postflop.

Our value range should obvs be difrent depending on each villains tendencys but yeah that range looks fine to me.
Basicly just 3bet every thing your comfortable stacking prf to a 4bet or think is ahead of villains flatting range.

Its super late and i have no clue if anything i said maked any sense...

Marknz88 plays what 10nl??? No one 3bets light much less 4bets light.

Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

Marknz88 plays what 10nl??? No one 3bets light much less 4bets light.

You might be surprised what people will 3 bet with at 10nl. Definitely the majority 3 bets decent hands, but there's some real crap in there as well.

RF

Originally Posted by RoyalFish

You might be surprised what people will 3 bet with at 10nl. Definitely the majority 3 bets decent hands, but there's some real crap in there as well.

RF

You're right what I meant was there are 2 kinds of 3bets at 10nl.

1) I have KK/AA
2) I have cards

Once you identify the people spewing and 3betting #2 you're not 4betting them light, you're just widening your value range for getting AI.

March goals

Play 25k+ hands
Beat this 5nl crap

Well March is off to a disastrous start. Down 5 BI in two days.

This hand tilted me after already losing a previous stack to villain whos 29/29 with a cbet of 33. He had been 3betting aggressively and squeezing everybody at the table without showing down any hands.

View hand 562446
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: $5.18
BB: $5.20
UTG: $10.62
MP: $9.39
Hero (CO): $5.00
BTN: $10.97

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with 8 8
UTG raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20, BTN raises to $0.85, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.65, Hero calls $0.65

Flop: ($2.62) 6 5 6 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $1.35, UTG folds, Hero calls $1.35

Turn: ($5.32) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $8.77 all in, Hero calls $2.80 all in

River: ($10.92) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $10.92
Hero shows 8 8 (two pair, Eights and Sixes)
BTN shows A K (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
BTN wins $10.42
(Rake: $0.50)

Twice he rivered me to take down the pot, the first time my AK didn't hold up >_<

Goals for march: try not to suck as much as I did in Feb. Same goals as I had at the start of feb really, I want to be playing $50nl by the end of the month except I'll add to it that I want to be putting in decent volume this month. 15k hands per week minimum (I think I may have averaged 1/3 of that last month).

Originally Posted by dsvw56

First area of discussion for the month, button 3-betting.

I'd like some of you to list your typical 3-betting range on the button vs. an aggressive CO raiser.

How does your range change when he has a high Fold to 3-bet? Low?

Also, please post WHY you're 3-betting the hands you're 3-betting.

My range? No idea, next question please.

If he has a high fold to 3bet: Eh, not really relying on that stat. If he's openning a lot wider in the CO than elsewhere (i.e. he's raising light) and isn't playing back at me (4betting or calling) I'll be raising really wide.
22+, 45s+, 67o+, Axs.
Obviously changes if I expect calls from the blinds.
This CO player will very quickly either turn into a nit or leave the table, if he doesn't adjust then I'm never, ever, leaving the table. If my home is burning down around me, I might think about leaving the table, maybe.

Low fold to 3bet? 99+/AQ+, I'm open to raising wider than that though depending on how wide his raising range is and how little he folds to 3bets. To be honest, I kind of suck really badly in this spot because I'm not sure what range I should be just calling with because stuff like 67s I still want to play because his range is weak and I've got position but I have little fold equity and wtf do I do post-flop? Generally this guy isn't someone you want to bluff and floating generally sucks against them too. Now lets say I catch my pair of 7's, what now? I probably almost always float but what if he bets the pot with a range that's at least a little balanced?
I know this is about 3betting, not calling, but I'm not sure where each range starts and ends. Suffice to say that I'm generally 3betting a wide value range.

My goal for March is to get to 25NL and profit. Currently I'm about 15 buy ins at 10NL away from being properly rolled for 25NL.

Good luck to all!

Originally Posted by Kasanova King

My goal for March is to get to 25NL and profit. Currently I'm about 15 buy ins at 10NL away from being properly rolled for 25NL.

Good luck to all!

very nice..currently im about 9 - 10 BI away from being properly rolled for 25NL

I feel like CC has been reset. I remember when all the guys like Chuck & Zach were playing micro stakes, and we all had really bad ideas about poker. Now a new round of players has stepped into that vacuum that those players have left behind. And they're complete with all the bad ideas that come with being new.

Some of the faces here are the same, obviously. But a lot of those guys have grown tired of explaining things, and are just content to do their usual posting.

Not sure why I'm posting that, just felt like saying it. Good luck to the new generation, and be sure to use your resources.

I am sure it is a strange feeling. CC has changed a lot even since I first came... Some of the old guard has faded. And the new kids get to make their way up.

I don't belong in either camp. To tell the truth I am not sure what I hang around for at all.

Comic relief I suppose.

Originally Posted by c9h13no3

Now a new round of players has stepped into that vacuum that those players have left behind. And they're complete with all the bad ideas that come with being new.

Good luck to the new generation, and be sure to use your resources.

Will do.