Looking for advice on my 2NL stats.

So I have recently put in just under 30k hands at 2NL and was looking for some feedback on my stats. It's been a very swingy ride and I was wondering if there is anything I should be doing differently. Not sure which stats are helpful but here are a few screen caps. I can post a graph or other stats if you would like also, just let me know what to get. Thanks!

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A couple of things. You're playing tight, which is good but you're a little too passive. Your VPIP & your PFR should be no more than 2 pts apart. Do you do a lot of set-mining? Also you are not loosening up in late position. It's good to have a low VPIP from seats 5 & 6 but from the Button, seats 1 & 2 you need to widen your range. Here's my default opening hand chart and you can see how it starts super tight and gradually loosens up:

UTG, UTG+1 (Seats 5&6): TT+, AQs+ AKo
MP (Seats 3&4): 88+ ATs+ AQo+ KJs+ QJs
Hijack (Seat 2): 77+ A8s+ AJo+ KTs+ KQo QTs+ JTs
Cutoff (Seat 1): 66+ A6s+ ATo+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s
Button: 55+ A3s+ A5o+ K5s+ K7o+ Q7s+ Q9o+ J7s+ J9o+ T7s+ T9o 97s+ 98o 86s+ 76s+

this means a VPIP that starts at 4% and expands to 33%.

Other things; your c-bet rate is too low, start 3betting more.

One thing about 2nl; you have virtually NO fold equity so don't try to float or bluff and c-bet selectively. When you whiff with AKo, ditch the hand and make sure you don't show up at the River with just Top Pair too often. Bet the turn and try to end it there.

Here's my stats:

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Your opening range is still too tight even for FR. I don't think folding 88 and 99 UTG in FR is +EV in the long run. It seems like you pluck the hand chart from a limit hold-em book and apply it to NL. (I assume it's from Tommy Angelo's Book?) Remember that NL is a game of implied odds and position. In fact, I don't see a problem with set mining in position as long as we have correct implied odds.

Thanks for the reply, by the way, nice graph.

By too passive do you mean pre-flop, post-flop, or both? I admit I may set mine a little too often, I am trying to avoid it OOP. I usually call 1 bet preflop with pocket pairs versus early position opens, and stacks are full. Would you reccomend just folding these, or 3betting them more?

I am attempting to open up more in later positions, do you mean by waiting for more open oppurtunities or 3betting more?



According to PT3, my Cbet Flop percentage is ~65%. How much more should I bet Cbetting? Should I be more inclined to check/fold flops I miss when OOP (board texture, villain, etc. in mind) and start Cbetting more when IP?

Sorry for double post, seen this after I replied to fx...

What odds are you looking for when set-mining in position? I've heard 20-1 is a good amount to set-mine, so I have been going with that roughly. So flatting a 3-5x open would have correct implied odds, provided I feel villain will play for stacks often enough? Please correct me if I am going about this wrong, thanks.

too many times when i open 3x BB with 88 or 99 UTG i get 3-bet..so its either fold or call...and when i call i miss roughly 7/8 times....so i think folding 88 or 99 UTG isn't necessarily a bad thing..to each his own imo

Sorry, I meant to say 3bet more, not cbet! It looks like your 3bet% is 3%, which if you always 3bet the same hands is something like JJ+ & AK. When you have position on the original raiser you can safely 3bet TT & 99 unless villain is a real nit with a PFR under 10. Against those opponents their range is too strong to 3bet anything less than JJ+,AK. Against fully stacked nits you can usually set mine in position. Against loose players set-mining won't pay off when you hit.

Unless you are a really good postlfop player I would avoid 3betting or calling preflop raises with AQ AJ KQ KJ type hands. You will often make 2nd best hand and are likely to win small pots and lose big ones. These hands are fine to open raise in later position but if the pot is raised before you ditch the hand.

Also, preflop, when OOP fold QQ JJ & AK to a 3bet unless villain is a total maniac. 3betting at 2nl is much rarer than higher limits and you will often be running into AA & KK and when you run into AK you're risking your stack on a coinflip with any pocket pair QQ or under.

As far as postflop play you better solicit advice from way better poker players than me on this forum; WVHillbilly, StuUngar, ChuckTs to name a few.

A few things I have learned about postflop play:

• If you miss on the flop, which will happen 2/3 of the time-check/fold and save your chips.
• against loose villains VPIP>24 you can often get a fold when you c-bet a board that does not contain an Ace or a King.
• if you like your hand bet the turn, if not check/fold.
• if you get to the river and have faced a bet or a raise on the flop and/or turn be very careful about calling large river bets with a single pair, whether it is top pair or an overpair.
• If you have KK or QQ and the flop contains an Ace; sometimes if you check this flop villain will bluff the Ace. It's usually ok to call a flop bet here but be prepared to get away from the hand after you face the 2nd bet. If villain does not bet the turn you may be able to check it down to a showdown and find you are against a pocket pair smaller than yours.
• When you have a big hand; Top Set, Nut Flush,etc. bet big. If your opponent has a strong but 2nd nut hand they will often commit their stack. If they don't have much they won't pay off. If you win 100bb 20% of the time you win more than if you win 20bb 80% of the time.

Nice to see someone agrees with this!

Things like this might work at 2NL but don't try them at higher stakes as you will be too easy to play against.

It's much better to base your plays postflop on what you perceive as your villain's range to be and what your reads on them are as opposed to basic rules which won't be the optimal +EV line vs all villains.

Some here seem to prefer set-mining, some not. Regardless, a more common number that I have seen is about 12-1 or so which should be profitable.

As far as your stats, the 1 thing I immediately noticed was that you are actually loosest from the worst position (SB). I just checked my 2nl stats and I was the same way. At 2nl, it wasn't really a problem for me because I was still winning, but by the time I had moved to 10nl I was barely a break-even player and the first advice I got when I posted my position stats was "tighten-up your blind play". (See WVH, I DO listen, now applying it is another thing ).

Hey, i play 6 max but i hope these stats will help you out a little:

1 big difference i notice is that i seem to go to showdown more than you do. i believe you give too much credit to people and at this level and you shouldn't.

and i think you defend your big blind way too often.

now i am not great with stats, we have tons of guys doing it better than i do it, i am still new to this, so i hope you or someone else can compare our stats and spot something.

also, if you believe i can give you some tips you can PM me and i will try and help you out.

To the above poster, your posts huge so i'm not going to quote!

But, if i may:

Your playing 6 max man, raise more PF, cbet more, steal more.... just play more cards man!

Your BTN range is way tight, your button stats are 19/12, my UTG stats are 15/15!. I'm raising almost the same amount of hands UTG that your raising OTB, thats madness.

I am by no means a LAG, my overall stats are like 23/20, but i am doing things at a much higher frequency than you are, i steal 40%, you steal half of that, cant figure out your cbet stat from those stats but im guessing it wont be very high either.

Read up on stealing and cbetting imo, and also read, if you havent already, ryan fees 6max guide, it really helped me open up and be a more aggressive player. You dont have to be an aggro lagtard at 6max but your playing weak-tight at the minute and thats not good imo.

Sorry, to the above again, I know your a winner but i'd make a stats post of my own if i were you, b/c you could be winning more, your leaving a lot of money on the table imo and theres some very good 6max players on this site who could give you much better tips than me.

I would say you do the exact same, WTSD of 29% and W$SD of nearly 60%

what can i say man? thanks for the advice i guess but i don't need it really, i don't even play 2nl anymore, i moved up when i got rolled you know.

and i understand what you are saying, by playing looser, but dude, these are my stats playing 12-16 tables. if you play 1 or 2 tables and beat the game for more BB/100 good for you, but if you pop 12-16 tables i doubt you can play 23/20.

and you want me to read on stealing and c-betting? you sure we are talking 2nl? where people don't fold anything? come on man, get serious.

I think I understand what you are saying, but if you could explain it a bit more it would help me a lot.

Also, may I ask how you have your HUD set up? As in, what stats you actually have onscreen and which ones you find most useful. These are the stats I currently use:

VPIP, PFR, AFactor, Hands
3bet, Fold Vs 3bet, ATS, Fold vs Steal
Cbet Flop %, Fold vs Flop Bet, Fold vs Turn Bet

Between Aggression Factor and Frequency, I am not sure which one I find more useful. The same goes for Fold vs Flop Bet and Fold vs Cbet. I have tried them out but would like to hear your opinion on them.

loose players tend to play lots of Broadways and rag Aces and Kings so a low flop is more likely to miss them than a high one. A high Call PFR rate often indicates a player who calls with an Ace in position to try and make top pair. Often these players will float on you so if you have the initiative in the hand all the way to the River and villain is calling down and then an Ace hits the river, if all of a sudden he bets bets/raises he has that Ace, so if you can't beat top pair it is safe to fold.



to be honest, I haven't taken the time to figure out how to configure the HUD so I have the default settings but you are prompting me to check this out.

I think Aggression Factor is more meaningful than Aggression Frequency as Afq includes folds so it does not meaningfully show how often a player is betting/ raising vs checking/ calling. Since I fold over 80% of the time my Afq is only 40.52 but my Aggression Factor is 2.20 which means when I stay in a hand I am betting/ raising twice as often as I am checking/ calliing.

I'm probably not the best person to solicit advice from. I've only been seriously playing Poker for about 4 months. I play way tighter than most players and tend to give villains too much credit. What I can say is that I am moving beyond tilt issues when I get sucked out on and try never to change my style of play based on current results. Poker is a real marathon. Patience and emotional discipline are at least important as putting a player on a range of hands and knowing your equity against that range. Since Poker is winning the battle of mistakes it is my belief that if you play very tight and can be patient and be willing to fold, fold, fold and fold some more than the big moments will arrive and your hand will play itself and you will take down stacks. Between these moments you just need to sit there like a sentinel, waiting, waiting. Too many players are action junkies who want to be involved in big multiway pots. If you can refrain from that and you are willing to study in detail your losses and detemine if you played poorly and if so how to correct your mistakes then you can be a profitable player long term.

Then don't play so many tables - you shouldn't be looking to make profits at micros, you want to plug leaks as cheaply as possible and then move up ASAP.

W/e dude, fact is that you have big leaks, sooner or later you'll move up to a level where your style of play doesnt work, and thats a fact. When that time comes I hope I come across your "OMG I'M GETTING CRUSHED SOMEONE PLZZZZ HAVE A LOOK AT MY STATS" thread, and then i can quote this again.

I just don't like it when someone comes along to help a noob with bad advice, I know stats arent the be all and end and different people have different ways of playing, but good fundementals should be encouraged from the start and your basically encouraging the OP to play like you, not good fundementally, by showing him your winning stats, and playing like you is not the basis for a good player imo, yeah your winning but your games far from perfect and you'll stop winning one day

wait a second, so you are giving me advice, but you never gave advice to the original poster, weird, seems to me.

you say that i will move up to where this stile does not work, what exactly makes you think i use the same stile at 5nl or 10nl? or do you just like to assume everyone does what you believe they do?

and how exactly does poker work? do we all have to have perfect stats because people believe there is a perfect way of doing it? wasn't it all about winning that matters in the end? why would i steal more on the button when this strategy seems to work perfectly? just because you say so? because people should steal more from the button?

and, how about instead of criticizing me you actually give advice to the OP. or how about you pop out some stats and show me how you stile of play, with the stealing from the button works better. lets go. you are the one playing better, perfect stats and all that, i want to see some win rates, some stats, and nothing that you can select in pokertracker or hem where you show just a portion of you stats, where you ran good mkey? i want to see your name so i can check you out on pokertableratings.

my name is there, everyone can check it out and see my graph with the good and the bad.

in the end, i believe i can help a guy at 2nl. they might have to change strategy when they move up, no doubt, i never claimed this will work all the way to the nosebleed stakes.

right, so graph and stats or i wont bother with you anymore.

i still love how people give advice on this forum but they never show where they play, so nobody can find their graphs or anything.

HU4Rollz imo

haha. I was gonna say the same thing. If there ever was a thread worthy of it then this is the one.

are people really having a dicksizing contest in a thread about 0.01/0.02 NLHE?

I really hope so

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don't worry guys, he is all talk i believe, perfect stats and all that. doesn't really care about the OP, only wants to pick on me for some reason and it just feels like he was waiting for this moment, maybe i have done something to him, who knows.

Wish I could say I'm on your side here Dan but you did start all this by coming in and posting a huge post of completely irrelevant stats - FR isn't comparable to 6max.

Lol, get a grip, just have better things to do with my life than sit on forums all day tbh.

Don't go on at me for not caring about the OP either, your the one that came in a FR stats thread and posted a load of 6max stats, where the hell does that help the OP???

Personally i think that people who take offense to things said in an online forum are incredibly pathetic so don't worry, you have not offended me in a previous life or in anyway whatsoever on here so I am not picking on you at all. I just didnt think you were helping the OP at all, admittedly nothing i have done in this thread has helped either apart from maybe suggesting to the OP not to pay much attention to your stats.

I am not going to get in a peen waving contest on here, search for my posts, click my blog, which links to my old blog, ptr me (peelieweeli on stars, peeliestacksu on ipoker), do whatever... you can find out all there is to know about my poker history via those methods.

I have been away from cardschat and its everyone hold hands, free hugs community (which i love btw), so i apologise if i was a bit blunt, that is my way irl and i have to seriously moderate myself for online conversations, but seriously, put your dummy back in, pick your blankey back up and learn to take some crit, the one line that made me not give a **** was the "thanks for the advice, but i don't need it" line, if you ever start actually believing this then your not gonna get much better and although it is true that i didnt help the OP much, i was trying to give you some advice, which i believe was sound, and i got a big F*** Off for it.

man, i didn't know it was a crime for a 6max player to post in a fullring thread you know. if you thought i was not helping the OP you should have just gave the better advice instead of making 3 in a row posts about how i suck and i don't steal enough from the button and how you play 15/15 UTG.

plus, i told you to F off because you said: "Read up on stealing and cbetting imo, and also read, if you havent already, ryan fees 6max guide..." just assuming i didn't read on stealing, and, as i already told you, i don't play 2nl anymore, these are the last stats i have when i almost went broke at 25nl, crawled back at 2nl, grind it back up and move away. 2nl is not the place to play perfect, it's about playing just a little above your opponents so you can move up and learn as you go, that's why it is the very first level, people suck and abc poker will do it. as for stealing and c-betting, well i believe it should be done too often at this level as people call with freaking backdoor flush and what not, so you can't get them to fold a lot. as for stealing, most of the time, there will be tons of limpers ahead of you, just doesn't get folded enough all the way to the button.

also, i did play fullring, 175000 hands tracked by pokertableratings, i just don't have them tracked in ptr3 because i played them without a hud so i am not without knowledge there either.

as for "thanks for the advice, but i don't need it" well, i do need it, it's just that i believe that you can't help me when you come out raging like that, see, i just don't listen to people who immediately believe they are so much better than everyone, or at least me in this case, in fact, irl i might have hit you.

and now i have to "put your dummy back in, pick your blankey back up and learn to take some crit"
well, nice crit, blaming me i posted some 6 max stats in a fullring thread.