Limping with AX suited from any position? .10/.25

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  #1
11th September 2009, 9:56 PM
handybh
 
Plays at: PokerStars
Game: NL Holdem
Limping with AX suited from any position? .10/.25

Do you guys think its worth it to limp with AX suited from any position to hopefully make the nut flush? Im talking about micro stakes here so it is usually easier to see cheap flops with lots of people to get better odds.

And Im going to also say that I will fold to any bet on the flop unless I get a four flush draw.

Do you think in the long term it is profitable?
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  #2
11th September 2009, 10:49 PM
joemac696969
 
Plays at: FULLTILT
Game: Holdem
Some times it might be worth it just to see the flop, you never know what can happen. You must have seen 3 cards the same suit hit the flop, or you might catch an A. Its up too your self, I usually see a flop with Ax suited.
  #3
11th September 2009, 10:52 PM
handybh
 
Plays at: PokerStars
Game: NL Holdem
I really dont even want to see an ace because of the kicker problems
  #4
11th September 2009, 11:10 PM
ericgarner118
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: hold'em
From any position? That is a definite no. For example, you would never want to limp UTG with A2d. That would be a huge leak in your game. Your not really going to want to limp to many hands at all really ever. A tight aggressive style will make you plenty of money down at the micros.
  #5
11th September 2009, 11:20 PM
chiefer77
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: holdem
re: Limping with AX suited from any position? .10/.25 poker

If you are playing a hand that you wouldn't raise with, you probably shouldn't be playing it in the first place. you may hit a nut flush on the flop once in a great great while, but over time you will be losing money limping with Ax suited.

I will fold them early and middle and raise with them late if the pot has yet to be opened.
  #6
12th September 2009, 12:25 AM
whoopwhoop
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: Omaha/Stud
Ace schwag is tough to limp with, you have to represent a bigger hand than that. You should probably go with the standard three times the big blind.
  #7
12th September 2009, 12:37 AM
serendipity
 
Plays at: bodog
Game: NL holdem
I thought I would NEVER do this, at least from early position.

But with Full Tilt's latest Take 2 promotion, it is actually a plus EV move.

At the .01/.02 tables this month everyone likes to limp, and an all-in raise (or re-raise) is not that uncommon, so I limp along with this hand and look for 4 (or 5) suited cards on the flop. If not, I fold.

I have made a bundle on the few flushes I hit.

I definitely would not recommend this play for any normal hold em game.
  #8
12th September 2009, 4:08 AM
Pokerstudent
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by handybh
Do you guys think its worth it to limp with AX suited from any position to hopefully make the nut flush? Im talking about micro stakes here so it is usually easier to see cheap flops with lots of people to get better odds.

And Im going to also say that I will fold to any bet on the flop unless I get a four flush draw.

Do you think in the long term it is profitable?
I think this would be a leak in your game if you do not profit from stealing. You should be betting a large percentage of the non-flush flops. Slowpla some aces on the flop. It will prompt them to represent the ace on the turn. The probably slow down on the river.

You want them to be scared to attempt at trying to steal. Then you reap the benefits.

My 2 cents!
  #9
12th September 2009, 6:29 AM
SavagePenguin
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: NLH
No.

You make your flush by the river 1:15 times and you only flop two-to-your suit 11% of the time.
Plus people are apt to raise you pre-flop, and you chase and miss (putting money in on the flop and turn) some of the times you flop your flush draw.

You also run into tough situations where there's an Ace on the flop and you have no idea if you're dominated.

It's just trouble.
  #10
12th September 2009, 6:56 AM
M33K3R
 
Plays at: FTP and PS
Game: NLHE and PLO
re: Limping with AX suited from any position? .10/.25 poker

I think it depends on many factors; position, number of callers, type of table, etc. A call cannot be merited every time as you will lose a lot of the times when you see a flop.
  #11
12th September 2009, 7:23 AM
NBA2K9ROCKETS
 
Plays at: FTP
Game: Hold Em
based on experience it is very profitable to limp with AX suited because if you know how to play it right it is an easy hand to trap your opponent. I've won many hands with A high flush draw in a past experience i won 300 dollars just because i had a A high flush there was 4 spades on the flop but luckily my opponents had K high flush and jack high flush they were pot committed. If you are lucky enough you will be going against a donk that likes to throw away his money.
  #12
12th September 2009, 7:55 AM
slycbnew
 
Plays at: PS/FT/Ultimatebet
Game: NLHE/Omaha
Once you get to 25nl, limping is a leak in general no matter what your hand or position is.

Small suited A's play well in late position and poorly in early position. If you open A5s on the btn, for example, there are a lot of flops and turns you can bet aggressively behind an ep (blinds) passive player - after all, the guy in the blinds won't hit the flop at all 2/3 of the time. UTG, though, A5s can't be very aggressive without specific types of flops - 55x, two cards in your suit, A5x, oesd w the 5 - and you'll have to fold to any aggression behind you (or even a call behind you) unless you hit those flops (Axx is a worthless flop for you).
  #13
12th September 2009, 8:52 AM
DINGO8MYBABY
 
Game: Stud hi/lo8b
Since there are so many players at lower levels who play any two suited cards and/or go crazy when they hit a flush, then you could get value out of playing any A-xs from any position--provided that you take your kicker into consideration when you hit top pair ace and be prepared to fold it.
  #14
12th September 2009, 9:09 AM
Goodwooter
 
Plays at: FTP
Game: Holdem
if its not worth raising ...its not worth playing...cut and dry

cheers and gl
wooter
  #15
12th September 2009, 10:00 AM
ukaliks
 
Plays at: FT & Stars
Game: HE/Stud/Oma
re: Limping with AX suited from any position? .10/.25 poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by SavagePenguin
No.

You make your flush by the river 1:15 times and you only flop two-to-your suit 11% of the time.
Plus people are apt to raise you pre-flop, and you chase and miss (putting money in on the flop and turn) some of the times you flop your flush draw.

You also run into tough situations where there's an Ace on the flop and you have no idea if you're dominated.

It's just trouble.
ZIIING!! ^^
  #16
12th September 2009, 1:30 PM
JustRaiseTheBlinds
 
Plays at: a Pokertable
Game: Holdem
I like to do this when it's cheap, but I don't think it's a good move...

You seldon make a flush, so you can't play to hit em, because you lose money when you miss every time...
  #17
12th September 2009, 3:10 PM
jheated5
 
Plays at: Ultimatebet full tilt
Game: holdem
No never limp in on any position, chances are most people will call and what do ya know they'll catch 2 pair or something your best best is either go to a minimum raise or throw out a buck.... It'll lessen your competion from the get go and if they all decide to fold you still rake in some money either way....
  #18
16th September 2009, 3:11 AM
Exit141RTe1
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
Fold. If you don't think it is worth a nice raise it is an auto fold here.
  #19
17th September 2009, 9:36 PM
spiderman637
 
Plays at: carbon
Game: HOLDEM
No, that wont be profitable. However, overlimping in late position will be. Eg. Some limps before you and you're on the button / cuttoff you can limp here profitably.

By overlimping you:
1) Reduce the chances someone will raise behind you preflop.
2) You are in position or at least in better position.
3) There is more money and more players in the pot increasing you implied odds.

If you're in late position and everyone before you has folded then I raise. I wouldn't recommend raising any suited aces from late position unless you are confident in your post flop ability though.
  #20
18th September 2009, 12:06 AM
bilgert
 
Game: Razz
re: Limping with AX suited from any position? .10/.25 poker

I might limp in late position in an unraised pot, but I won't open with a limp. I'm either folding or raising.
 



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