Limping with AX suited from any position? .10/.25

#1 11th September 2009, 9:56 PM

Do you guys think its worth it to limp with AX suited from any position to hopefully make the nut flush? Im talking about micro stakes here so it is usually easier to see cheap flops with lots of people to get better odds.

And Im going to also say that I will fold to any bet on the flop unless I get a four flush draw.

Do you think in the long term it is profitable?

#2 11th September 2009, 10:49 PM

Some times it might be worth it just to see the flop, you never know what can happen. You must have seen 3 cards the same suit hit the flop, or you might catch an A. Its up too your self, I usually see a flop with Ax suited.

#3 11th September 2009, 10:52 PM

I really dont even want to see an ace because of the kicker problems

#4 11th September 2009, 11:10 PM

From any position? That is a definite no. For example, you would never want to limp UTG with A2d. That would be a huge leak in your game. Your not really going to want to limp to many hands at all really ever. A tight aggressive style will make you plenty of money down at the micros.

#5 11th September 2009, 11:20 PM

If you are playing a hand that you wouldn't raise with, you probably shouldn't be playing it in the first place. you may hit a nut flush on the flop once in a great great while, but over time you will be losing money limping with Ax suited.

I will fold them early and middle and raise with them late if the pot has yet to be opened.

#6 12th September 2009, 12:25 AM

Ace schwag is tough to limp with, you have to represent a bigger hand than that. You should probably go with the standard three times the big blind.

#7 12th September 2009, 12:37 AM

I thought I would NEVER do this, at least from early position.

But with Full Tilt's latest Take 2 promotion, it is actually a plus EV move.

At the .01/.02 tables this month everyone likes to limp, and an all-in raise (or re-raise) is not that uncommon, so I limp along with this hand and look for 4 (or 5) suited cards on the flop. If not, I fold.

I have made a bundle on the few flushes I hit.

I definitely would not recommend this play for any normal hold em game.

#8 12th September 2009, 4:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by handybh

Do you guys think its worth it to limp with AX suited from any position to hopefully make the nut flush? Im talking about micro stakes here so it is usually easier to see cheap flops with lots of people to get better odds.

And Im going to also say that I will fold to any bet on the flop unless I get a four flush draw.

Do you think in the long term it is profitable?

I think this would be a leak in your game if you do not profit from stealing. You should be betting a large percentage of the non-flush flops. Slowpla some aces on the flop. It will prompt them to represent the ace on the turn. The probably slow down on the river.

You want them to be scared to attempt at trying to steal. Then you reap the benefits.

My 2 cents!

#9 12th September 2009, 6:29 AM

No.

You make your flush by the river 1:15 times and you only flop two-to-your suit 11% of the time.
Plus people are apt to raise you pre-flop, and you chase and miss (putting money in on the flop and turn) some of the times you flop your flush draw.

You also run into tough situations where there's an Ace on the flop and you have no idea if you're dominated.

It's just trouble.

#10 12th September 2009, 6:56 AM

I think it depends on many factors; position, number of callers, type of table, etc. A call cannot be merited every time as you will lose a lot of the times when you see a flop.

#11 12th September 2009, 7:23 AM

based on experience it is very profitable to limp with AX suited because if you know how to play it right it is an easy hand to trap your opponent. I've won many hands with A high flush draw in a past experience i won 300 dollars just because i had a A high flush there was 4 spades on the flop but luckily my opponents had K high flush and jack high flush they were pot committed. If you are lucky enough you will be going against a donk that likes to throw away his money.

#12 12th September 2009, 7:55 AM

Once you get to 25nl, limping is a leak in general no matter what your hand or position is.

Small suited A's play well in late position and poorly in early position. If you open A5s on the btn, for example, there are a lot of flops and turns you can bet aggressively behind an ep (blinds) passive player - after all, the guy in the blinds won't hit the flop at all 2/3 of the time. UTG, though, A5s can't be very aggressive without specific types of flops - 55x, two cards in your suit, A5x, oesd w the 5 - and you'll have to fold to any aggression behind you (or even a call behind you) unless you hit those flops (Axx is a worthless flop for you).

#13 12th September 2009, 8:52 AM

Since there are so many players at lower levels who play any two suited cards and/or go crazy when they hit a flush, then you could get value out of playing any A-xs from any position--provided that you take your kicker into consideration when you hit top pair ace and be prepared to fold it.

#14 12th September 2009, 9:09 AM

if its not worth raising ...its not worth playing...cut and dry

cheers and gl
wooter

#15 12th September 2009, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SavagePenguin

No.

You make your flush by the river 1:15 times and you only flop two-to-your suit 11% of the time.
Plus people are apt to raise you pre-flop, and you chase and miss (putting money in on the flop and turn) some of the times you flop your flush draw.

You also run into tough situations where there's an Ace on the flop and you have no idea if you're dominated.

It's just trouble.

ZIIING!! ^^

#16 12th September 2009, 1:30 PM

I like to do this when it's cheap, but I don't think it's a good move...

You seldon make a flush, so you can't play to hit em, because you lose money when you miss every time...

#17 12th September 2009, 3:10 PM

No never limp in on any position, chances are most people will call and what do ya know they'll catch 2 pair or something your best best is either go to a minimum raise or throw out a buck.... It'll lessen your competion from the get go and if they all decide to fold you still rake in some money either way....

#18 16th September 2009, 3:11 AM

Fold. If you don't think it is worth a nice raise it is an auto fold here.

#19 17th September 2009, 9:36 PM

No, that wont be profitable. However, overlimping in late position will be. Eg. Some limps before you and you're on the button / cuttoff you can limp here profitably.

By overlimping you:
1) Reduce the chances someone will raise behind you preflop.
2) You are in position or at least in better position.
3) There is more money and more players in the pot increasing you implied odds.

If you're in late position and everyone before you has folded then I raise. I wouldn't recommend raising any suited aces from late position unless you are confident in your post flop ability though.

#20 18th September 2009, 12:06 AM

I might limp in late position in an unraised pot, but I won't open with a limp. I'm either folding or raising.

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