Limping with AA early.pos in very agressive table

How do yo feel about finding AA in UTG and limping with it in agressive table, where 80% of the pots are raised preflop? I sometimes do that, because when i have tight image at the early stages then even with small-brainers usually fold to my UTG raise, but when you limp with the aces and 80% of the time get a raise in front of you and probably some callers and the action is back to you, you get nice value by reraising the pot. But 20% of the time its gonna be limp pot and your aces can very easily get cracked. Better win a small pot than lose a big, but sometimes i feel limping with the aces is the right move.

Cash or Tourney? Full Ring or 6max?

full ring tournament ofcourse.

In the situation you've described, limping with Aces up front should become the standard play. I'd limp with them a majority of the time, at least 80%. I'm not sure I've ever been at a table like that, cuz that's crazy aggro. But yeh, if there's that much raising going on, limp in, let that all play out, then stick in a nice raise, while you laugh evily at all the silly fish.

I dont like to limp in with A's even at the aggressive table and even when they perceive me as a tight player.. why? well i feel like if i give everyone time to get in with connectors and suited cards to see the flop then probabilty that my A's are still good is much slimmer. And even if i`m still ahead on the flop and i raise , many aggressive players on a good draw will still call you and a lot of time new cards help them out. Sometime the can even bluff you of the best hand. Example. you hold AA flop comes 3 suited cards. an aggressive player raises are you sure he doesnt have a flush right there? nope... will he make you fold? maybe.. When you raise preflop and if one of the aggressive players have a decent hand to call you he will and when he gets his top pair you`ll milk him even more... I rather raise preflop with A's and take the blinds then get outdrawn on the flop or turn and end up losing more chips.

Hmmm... table full of maniacs I would raise and wait for the reraise to push... my trouble comes at nitty tables, where a small early raise can fold the table (happens a lot)... so I sometimes limp there because there won't be many callers anyway, they are all waiting for primo hands.

If you limp in with AA and have UTG+1 go all in, and he gets 5 callers then what are you going to do? AA, IMO does best when HU or 3 players. Push hard with them let the others get out of the way. If you can't push them out. Then one of two things will happen, you will have a huge chip stack, or you will post in the BAD BEATS forum

Depending on Stack sizes you shove over the top and reap the benefits of lots of dead money if you can get the others to fold. If that isn't possible call and hope you can check it down unless you hit a monster.

for sure at an aggressive table like that, raising might worry some and less money for you if you push too hard too early. The only problem like others have said is you don't want to be in against too many...all of the sudden you're not too much of a favorite

if there was someone who truely raised it up every second hand then i would limp with them. But I am not really a big fan of this play so i would only do it if there was a very aggresive player at my table.

I feel you have to raise with AA. It's a monster pre-flop but can be easily outdrawn leaving you crippled. Whatever the average raise has been I might bump it up 50% higher because to be honest I only want to go heads up against 1 player. If the flop was good for me then i would fire a pot size bet and see what happens from there. I have had AA beaten by 5-2os because I limped. Never again. I want the people with chit hands outta there so they can't draw against me.

Limping with aces is ok in a tournament as a change of pace if you had only a few players or just one player behind you or youre in late position and you're first to open the pot but in a normal pot it's far too dangerous to do that and you end up with 4 or 5 callers which makes it difficult to win with aces and you caould beat with a wide range of different hands.

Limping UTG w/AA is just wrong IMO, even against an aggressive table.
I allowed myself to be in that position once and was taken out of the tournament by the BB flopping 2r and I was pissed at myself for letting it happen and promised myself to never let it happen again.

Mabye you took the wrong spot to limp. Limping with AA has won me more tourney chips than its lost. Ofcourse i usually raise with aces.

You can do whatever you want with AA UTG. The challenge is, if no one else raises, being able to recognize when some trash cards might have you beat and being able to pitch the aces. If you can't let aces go when you are probably beat, then you should raise them everytime, and probably big. This way, you can more or less assume your up against 2 paint cards preflop. It takes a good player to make good folds.

i prefer raising especially on a lag table. that way you have less people to suck out on you. remember that AA is really a hand you want to play only against 1 or 2 other players. if u just limp and everyone calls and the flop comes out 5-6-7 and they bet you really have no idea at all as to whether they hit the straight or have two pair or something. raising will likely prevent you facing hands like 4-8 on the flop

i think that in certain situations like the one youre describing its ok to do that.....if everyone around you limps, just be able to fold em if you know youre beat.......the issue i think most people have is the inability to fold em when they should..........

Actually, having 5 people go all in before you is the best possible situation for AA. Your equity in the pot increases drastically, even though your chances of winning go down. Winning 5 times what you put in 40% of the time is much better than winning double what you put in 80% of the time.

FWIW, taking any action with AA should win you more chips than it loses, unless you are playing seriously wrong postflop.

You DO NOT want to "let the others get out of the way" when you have AA.

lol you have AA and are worried too many people will be all-in? That's wrong on so many levels. Check the expected gain when AA is all-in against 2, 3, 4, and 5 opponents. Give them appropriate ranges or give them ATC. I guarantee you the more opponents that have all their chips in, the more money you will win on average (exception: I believe the difference between 7 and 8 opponents may be slightly negative, but you would still rather have 8 than 6 opponents, you just would rather have 7). Sure as more people are in the pot, our pot win % goes down, but last I checked the goal of poker was to win chips/money, not pots. If you have a 50% chance of winning $50 or a 20% chance of winning $1,000, which would you pick? I'll take #2 thanks.

Limping or putting out a small/standard raise works in a tourney if the table is loaded either with aggro players or shorties looking to double up late in the tourney. Of course, if you limp and no one takes the bait and you are left in a multi-player pot with a bad flop, make sure that you have the stones to fold if necessary. Even if you "waste" your aces, it is only one hand.

Limping with aa's is also ok when you're faced with one or two players preferably one but two is ok but then you also have to be careful the texture of the flop is not 10x 9x 8x and the you have to be careful on the flop but if the flop is like a rainbow you could perpas limpand get paid off in this situation.

I think limping with aces utg in a very aggressive table would be the right thing to do no matter what the outcome of it is..... Because you know most of the time your going to get raised and have a chance to put all your chips in with the best hand....

Wrong thing to do...... When you have more then 1 player in the pot with you, your asking for a bad beat

If you can tell the agressiveness of the table then I'm sure everyone else at the table is aware of it too. Meaning they have become accustomed to overvalueing their hands and calling the preflop raises with their 9 7 off suit cards. You do not want to be up against 3 or more of these types of hands with Aces because of the chances of them hitting atleast 2-pair if not a straight or a flush. Push on top of the raise and try to get against 1 or 2 ppl--that is where AA hands thrive.

I think limping up front in the situation you described is a very good play. If the table is going to be aggro enough to be popping that many hands, it's good to get some money in there and let you reraise. Only caution here--if no one raises, and you find yourself in a multiway pot, you may have to let the hand go.

It's one or the other! 'Full Ring' are CASH games where you are playing on only 1 table for CASH---'Tourniment' games are played with usually MORE than 1 table, unless you are playing SnGs or STT---either way, tournys are when you pay a certain amount of money as a 'Buy in' and split the total money at the end---usually, if it's a SnG--10 players--3 places pay out---6 players, 2 places pay out. But in tournys, many places pay out depending on the number of people registered! In 'Ring Games' you play against each other and what you win, you win--and you can leave at any time---in tournys you play until you either win or place ITM or are knocked out!

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If you know you are ging to see alot of limpers, or even a raise with callers behind it I think you should raise6-8 X the blind. Narrow the field early and make the others pay to beat you.

Well sorry, i mean 9-10 handed tournament table.

I can't see why a limp here would not be a good play. Let all the others go nuts. For me to get a crack at nukeing the other seem like a reasonable approach.

It will get smoked every once and a while in a suck out. I can't see how a fold preflop is in the cards. Man you wait hand after hand for these very two cards and not to try to play the rockets a little different each time you mix it up in an attempt to vary your play is a bad thing. Is it?

Question possibly for a new thread....would you ever, drunk or sober, fold AA preflop? Either you have a "bad feeling" or have 8 out of 9 people all in? Don't forget, it's just a pair.

Yes i fold AA preflop when im playing a sattelite and if folding guarantees me the ticket to other tourney.(either two shorties gone all in or im the medium stack and big stack puts the pressure on me and within next couple of rounds shories are anted/blinded out)