Leaving PokerStars? advice needed.

Been going through my reports in HEM, and was checking how Im doing at different sites. I set up 2 aliases, one for all sites apart from PS, and one was all sites including PS.
For all sites apart from PS, Im 10.51bb/100 over 49k hands up to 5nl, and with all sites including PS, I drop to 8.77bb/100 over 54k hands.
My stats for PS alone are -14.32bb/100 over 5k hands.
Ok, I know they're only small sample sizes, and the 5k hands at PS could quite easilly be variance, but Im not sure where Im going wrong at PS.
My VPIP/PFR are almost indentical without PS and with PS, and my raising hands are from a chart, so I play exactly the same hands.
So has anyone got the answer(s) to why Im a winning player everywhere, apart from PS? Am I not adjusting to a different style at PS, is that it?
Ive also checked my tournament roi$ across the sites, for PS its lower than everywhere else, even though its similiar sized fields, and again I play the same style/cards etc.
Just one other thing, my last 15 mtts at PS Ive gone out to a bad beat, when I was ahead PF.

Im not saying PS is rigged, lol, before that gets mentioned, but surely my results should be the same across the board when I play the same style and PF cards.

The title of this thread is because if I cant see where Im going wrong at PS, then there's no point me playing there (and losing), when I can play at every other site and win. right?
(Flamers:no need to reply to this)

Sample size is your issue

as in its so small that it could just be variance TB? Yeah I guess that, but I only get a few hours in in a week of actually playing poker, so not sure if I should persevere with PS, or just say, f**k it, give up there and play at my other sites where I also get nice rb.
Im yet to be defeated by a site, so Im not sure I wanna leave PS as a losing player.
One thing Ive noticed, 6max tables at PS seem to be a lot tighter than my other main site(unibet), so should I be adjusting? And if so, how. My stats for 6max generally are 22/19 or thereabouts.

Depends how much volume you put in IMO. Less volume = smaller site with larger RB. If your gonna mass grind next year i'd stick with PS.

I have played on a LOT of different sites, over 40 up to now, and I have found that players play differently on different sites. You might get a site like 888 which is a fish pond as against PS where I find a higher standard of player, thats only what I feel, others will feel different.
Dont worry about having " never been beaten by a site" if you are losing get out.
I used to play on 2 sites mainly, I play 6max PLO, Inter Poker and PS and these days it is 95% Inter cos I get Rakeback there and at small stakes it makes a hell of a difference, PS VIP scheme might be great for high stakes grinders, but not for micro stakes players like me.
Really tho you answered your own question with your last sentence
"The title of this thread is because if I cant see where Im going wrong at PS, then there's no point me playing there (and losing), when I can play at every other site and win. right"

depends what you call a mass-grinder. Im gonna be doing at least an hour every day, hopefully 2, and 4 tabling from January. the site I play and really like is 30% rb, so I guess that beats PS's VIP system, right?
Yeah the sites where I win big are full of fishes, like unibet, etc, with average players to flop of at least 45% at 6max, way higher than at PS, so I guess the players going to the flop would make a difference to my TAG style, PS players going to the flop would on average have better hands than the unibet players seeing a flop.
Thanks for the advice, it helps me decide, I just dont like feeling Im a losing player at any site(my roi% is still nice at PS), Im just down at ring over 5k hands.

5k hand sample size...stay at PS

The 10BB/100 is also variance because for someone to have mentality to make this type of thread, you do not understand how the game works.


What I am saying is, this is rigtard thread coming from someone who has been around for 5 years. put this in the rigtard thread and may god have mercy on our souls.

oh F**k off Marginal, said I didnt want flamers.
this isnt for the rigtard thread, Im asking why PS should be different to my other sites.Is it something Im doing wrong(maybe), or are they better players at PS, and play better postflop etc.
you're stupid f**king comment just proves that some people here are always gonna flame me, no matter what subject I do, so just dont bother replying to my threads ok, at least others are beginning to tolerate me a bit more by replying sensible help/comments.
/end of rant

Well then the next issue then issue is the understanding of variance. I mean you are talking about 50k hand sample and 5k hand sample

Well it may come off as flaming but when I see someone post at cc for 5 years and is making the same post as someone who made it in his first week, I kinda make comments.

Cant help obv.

yeah, Ive got the br sat in Neteller, Im tempted to sit it out for a few more K hands, and maybe adjust to the tighter tables at PS. thanks for reply.

maybe margianl you need to read this again, and if you still wanna post, then make it constructive, rather than your usual arrogant/tosser reply you give to me, ie dont bother if you;re gonna do your usual reply, ok.

Of course you should adjust. You should adjust at any table you ever sit.

This has come up in a lot of threads recently, but it bears repeating: Poker is not played off charts. Hand values are not static.

There are going to be a ton of mass-tabling nits at Pokerstars. You should also probably table select better.

thanks baud. the average players going to pot is way down at PS compared to the other site generally, so I guess Im loosening up a bit with my raising hands right to steal more? any other things I need to do PF?

Look at what you've asked in a vaccum and it basically is "I'm losing money on Pokerstars what am I doing wrong?". The problem is that that's a question that has literally dozens of possible answers, some of which will apply to you and some of which won't.

variance is a key thing to understand in poker. the sample size from 5k hands to 50k is tremendous

I don't want to have to delete one more ridiculous ****ing reply in this thread. Knock it the **** off...you all know who you are. What I'm saying is, there is a way to give advice without being an asshole and insulting someone.

to marginal:because you came in here and make a stupid post(#8) without reading my OP and seeing that i said this isnt a rigtard thread, i need general advice on whether I should be persevering with PS, and adjusting etc, which is what other people here have advised, without questioning my mentality etc.
I think my only way to get through to you is to swear at you, cause then you realise that hey Im serious here, your dick posts are not needed, I would have taken any advice from you if you had made sensible posts, but post 8 just made you look like you've still got issues with me.
so I'll say it politely, if you've got nothing constructive to add, then please leave this thread.
to JQ;apologies for my swearing, but this guy tilts the f**k out of me.

Merry Christmas Juicee. Welcome to the internet.

Population: you.

KD, Genuine Response.

If you want advice, give us something to work with, If you post a winrate figure for 2 sites, we cant give you any meaningful information to help you improve, You know this cause we post this in every new person thread asking for advice. If you post stats, if you post a hand. you get a different response.


KD, when you swear at me, Im not going to take you seriously, I will threat you like a 5 year old who dropped a cookie.


We are just balancing our Thread ranges.

and its 8 viewers time again, wish I could sell virtual popcorn, Id make a killing.

all we do is win win win !!!

seriously the games are ****ing so different at pokerstars from microgaming.

I can tell you all i have picked up from them from very recent first hand experience and adjustments you need to make but it will cost you like 50k

Yeah, you're right. Just because it's the internet it's a good excuse to be an asshole like everyone else, right?

genuine reply:
I dont wanna post individual hands, this is not about a hand here, or a hand there, its about where in general am I going wrong. at my main site, the players going to the flop is an average of 40-50%, and I play a 22/19 style. At PS the tables I get on, players going to the flop is more like 25%, and I still play a 22/19 style with the same hands, i can post the range here if needed. Do i need to loosen my range.

a big difference, Jake?, seeing as we've played the same sites. enough for you to have to majorly adjust your game?
great call JQ.;-)

a very notable difference, preflop especially.

Mrs. Q. I was referencing something.

You missed the reference.

ok, thats something I can work on then. thanks.

First, your OP has so many possible legitimate answers. You could be playing differently at different sites (your VPIP/PFR) are about 1% of the picture or players can be playing differently or you're table selecting badly. Then there's the fact that you've played 5k hands there. You can't possibly know if you're a winner there or not yet. You can break even for 5k hands, you can lose for 20k and be a lifetime winner. It just so happens your losing hands are at a particular site.

Another point is that you should be playing differently at every table you play. If the players were that much different between sites then your stats would be too, not the same. That means if it is the players than you're not adjusting properly.

And in a way it is a rigtard thread, you can't qualify it just by saying it isn't when you're saying rigtard things.


If you need to adjust differently then do it, we can't help except for individual hands, if you don't want to adjust then play elsewhere. And wait till you have more than a few days hands before making decisions about your wr.

microgaming games run much tighter preflop regs arent getting it in with less than AK and QQ+ and they are very tight postflop so you can barrell them off alot of hands.

PS games are alot looser and people adjust wider and combat 3b/4b light whereas microgamings will maybe call then just fold alot of flops + turns and rarely play back.

Aggro in correct spots can crush microgaming from my experience at 20 - 100

Kids - keep your playground fights out of this forum. (posts have been deleted)

from off the top of my head I play the same at all sites, thats why Ive got the guide for hands in different positions, till Ive learnt them from heart. As Im still new to ring, with not many hands, Im still just learning pf and postflop play, so adjusting is there, but not a key factor of my game, guess it needs to be. thanks for help
this is a great help, thanks jake, will try some sessions at ps tomorrow and see how I get on, maybe post a few hands here for analysis.

i wouldn't leave PS, but heck if you are running good at fishier sites, then go with it ... money is money ... PS isnt going anywhere ...

i saw someone suggest picking a better table, which makes sense ... if you got the info, then u can probably find that fishy table at PS ... then u got the best of both worlds ... good luck

Are you getting it in good and getting sucked out on? (Lets not go there lol).
Are the pots growing quicker or smaller?
Are you 'really' playing the same? Different interfaces, graphics and betsliders could produce different styles.
Lots of things to analyse.
But with all other things equal it could be an indication of different opponent styles at different sites.
Does this mean pokerstars players are better?
Interesting thing to keep monitoring, although I think we all go through phases of getting better results at one site over another and then it swaps back again.

i think if the facts speak for themselves and other sites are giving better results you should trim your losses and enjoy the other sites. Maybe reduce exposure on PS.