Is it a leak to bet less than half the pot?

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  #1
7th July 2009, 10:05 AM
BLieve
 
Is it a leak to bet less than half the pot?

At 10NL, I see this all the time. I can understand if you throw in .10 in a .30 pot but in 1.60 pots postflop I see .50 bets. I am pretty sure this is a leak but can someone explain why it is?

Also how do you treat min bets especially in raised pots? I see those less at 10NL but at 2NL I treated those same as checks.

Last edited by BLieve : 7th July 2009 at 10:14 AM.
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  #2
7th July 2009, 10:18 AM
shinedown.45
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: hold-em
It's not a leak if the bettor is betting with the nuts on a board that might scare off any players if he bets too high, but is hoping to get a call or a raise from hands that may have hit the board.

It is a leak if the bettor is bet-sizing his hands according to the BB.
  #3
7th July 2009, 3:14 PM
Mase31683
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: NLHE 6max/HU
Yeah, definitely not a leak. Bet-sizing is all about maximizing your expectation. Sometimes a smaller bet will do that, sometimes a larger bet will. Multiply the size of the bet by the percentage you estimate the opponent will call to find your expectation.

I use a few lines that employ a smaller than 1/2 pot bet on the river, as this is a bet many villains will call wit a very very wide range.
  #4
7th July 2009, 10:14 PM
JulieK
 
It's not about individual bets. It's about how particular bets relate to your (or your opponants') betting pattern. Both their long-term betting pattern and their recent betting pattern.
  #5
7th July 2009, 11:05 PM
PLO1519
 
Plays at: pokerrstars
Game: Hold'em
re: Is it a leak to bet less than half the pot? poker

It depends on what you're trying to accomplish with the bet. Often times a smaller bet is best, because your opponent may not call a larger bet. Also, a smaller bet is often the best option if you're trying to entice your opponent to raise. Weak bets are seen as weak plays, and frequently people will attempt to raise you off of a hand if you make a weak lead.
  #6
7th July 2009, 11:33 PM
crow27
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: NL
I would only say it's a leak if there is a open ended strght or flush draw after the flop. If you don't make it atleast 1/2 the pot, the villain is getting the right pot odds to chase.
  #7
8th July 2009, 12:47 AM
jdeliverer
 
Plays at: FTP
Game: NLHE now
If your opponents will fold to a small bet, then it's clearly not a leak. It's so situational that in a given context, it's hard to say any particular thing is a leak.

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UTG+1: t2570 M = 17.13
MP: t2080 M = 13.87
CO: t1750 M = 11.67
Hero (BTN): t1505 M = 10.03
SB: t1440 M = 9.60
BB: t1365 M = 9.10
UTG: t2790 M = 18.60

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BTN with 2♣ 9♥
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t100, 2 folds, Hero raises to t400, 1 fold, BB calls t300, UTG+1 calls t300

Flop: (t1250) 4♣ A♣ 7♠ (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets t100, Hero calls t100, BB folds

Turn: (t1450) A♠ (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 1, UTG+1 folds

Hero wins t1650
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So small bets rule.
  #8
8th July 2009, 2:02 AM
bob_tiger
 
Plays at: full tilt
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLieve
At 10NL, I see this all the time. I can understand if you throw in .10 in a .30 pot but in 1.60 pots postflop I see .50 bets. I am pretty sure this is a leak but can someone explain why it is?

Also how do you treat min bets especially in raised pots? I see those less at 10NL but at 2NL I treated those same as checks.
its not a leak if the villain you are playing against is aggressive and may put you on a weak hand and decide to raise you, if you are playing against a passive calling station, then its definitely a leak and you are losing value.
  #9
8th July 2009, 2:56 AM
BLieve
 
Well lets say you hit top pair top with top kicker on the flop and there is a high straight draw on the board. Knowing that there are 3 or 4 others in this raised pot, do you want opponents to call your bet? You know that one out of three times, someone will hit their straight by the river so the question is should you make it unprofitable for them to call a bet by betting at least half the pot or should you take your chances that they won't hit the straight and try to build up the pot? I hope I am making sense here.
  #10
8th July 2009, 4:58 AM
shortshanks
 
Plays at: Bodog
Game: NL Holdem
re: Is it a leak to bet less than half the pot? poker

Sometimes at 10NL players seem to take small bets as weakness. Suppose you've limped with a pocket pair, flop your set (on an nonthreatening board) or a boat but are in early position with 5 behind you. In situations like this you may get 4or 5 callers with a weak bet, and maybe even a raiser after you, which is exactly what you want to build the pot.
 

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