Laid down bottom set

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2c/4c table.

I limped in with 55. SB and BB limped, checked.

Flop's 579 with 2 spades.

SB checks, BB puts in a min. raise. I reraise him to 16c. Then SB 3 bets 60c.

He is a passive player, he didn't bet trip kings with deuce kicker before. The check raise here likely means a huge hand. I had the 4th nuts but was probably behind so I laid it down.

The only hand I could have hope to beat was perhaps a big overpair. But it's kind of doubtful he would limp then check raise there.

I had only 20c committed and had about $2.70 left.

Kind of an easy lay down?

Laying down a set is never easy. if you made a read and followed through with it props to you. Without more information I cannot give specific advise on this particular hand.

DON"T OPEN LIMP!!!

DON'T FOLD SETS!!!

DON'T POST HANDS WITHOUT ANY RELEVANT INFO AND EXPECT REAL ANSWERS!!!

+1, but I think this is a real answer.

Assuming he does this with 57/79 and overpairs you can't fold, and random times when a nit wants to cash in on being a nit and bluff, you just shouldn't fold.

yes i think thats an easy fold. what did bb do?

The thing with sets is if you get over setted its not your fault. Take advantage of this and get it in.

Yeah he can never have and overpair / flush draw / straight draw / 2 pair.

Guess is they are on a drawing hand. With that being said, if you're not willing to raise with 55 then you should fold. Pay attention to WV's advice even if it seems like he's yelling...Because he's correct!

the odds of somebody having a bigger set are so slim.

FWIW PokerStove says that you are a 92.42% to win the hand if your opponent has AKs. 87% if your opponent has AsAd.

He can have an over pair or top 2 pair, i think regardless of the opponent you have to see the next street atleast.


Just me, but im getting it in, with a fist pump.

Sigh. I can never beat the likes of WV and slydog in the threads where there might be a situation to respond to. This is PC's attempt at being blunt


OP: You got a set. Not trips. Your not playing kickers or anything else on the flop. Get it in. This is poker. Grow a set imo. You want that action all day and twice on Sunday. Variance will make your jaw drop every now and then but thats what happens in poker. Shove the hell out of it.

Also to Dawgs previous comment. If your not willing to raise with it u should fold. IMO if your not willing to get the most max value in with bottom set in micro limits you might wanna reconsider playing poker. Yep. Sometimes you might lose but you should be maxing 100% here.

Edit. OP I understand the limits. You have chances for boat and such on the turn and river. At these limits I strictly stand behind the fact that stacks should be in order regardless the readz or pot size. Larger limits I might see the reasoning. If this is what your playing consistently I'd suggest jamming all day.

I could fold this in Omaha, not hold'em.

[quote=PC69;1488525]
You have chances for boat and such on the turn and river.quote]

^^This^^+1

see how fast you can jam the pot.. anything else i cant see...u have a set.. he could be on a draw an overpair or at this limit almost anything including the likes of AK.

It is never correct to fold sets with 80bb stacks.

Also don't limp the SB with a PP

I know you want everyone to say good fold etc but the reality is this was really badly played.

Not sure if this example helps but it shows perhaps what you could have been up against and maybe how far ahead you were. Imdo the worse case scenario is you were outsetted or they got lucky with a straight but I would have gotten all my chips in on that one and unless like in my example had a limper then I would have raised in late position with a pair.

View hand 605727
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): $16.65
BTN: $5.00
SB: $6.50
BB: $2.95
UTG: $9.05
UTG+1: $25.90
MP1: $5.00
MP2: $4.65

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with 2 ♣ 2 ♠
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 2 folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.85) Q ♦ 2 ♥ 6 ♦ (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, BB folds, UTG raises to $8.80 all in, Hero calls $7.55

Turn: ($18.45) J ♥ (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($18.45) A ♣ (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $18.45
Hero shows 2 ♣ 2 ♠ (three of a kind, Deuces)
UTG shows K ♥ K ♦ (a pair of Kings)
Hero wins $17.55
(Rake: $0.90)

I shove the hell out of it everyday unless your really deep stacked and by that I mean I agree with the group. Whoever said it seemed like an easy fold, feel like playing for rolls? =)

I'm gonna jump on the band wagon here and say: NEVER FOLD THAT SET!

The problem w/ limpin is that u gav the SB + BB a cheap/free flop. So ur 55 on a 579ss flop is WA/WB.
The BB could have 2pair/straight/flush draws. Easy shove....

So there's 12c in the pot.

BB put in a min bet, so the pot is now 16c. You raise to 16c? He's got 12c to call, with a pot of 32c, and there's a flush draw and several possible straight draws?

SB check raised to 59c into a pot of 32c. (On flop, SB checked, BB bet 4c into 12c. I reraised to 16c)

He showed 68 (nut straight) after BB and I folded.

I just went with my gut. With how passively he had played up to that point I just didn’t think he would make that move with just a draw. He could have limped in with a big overpair, but I don’t think he check raises the flop with an overpair.

I didn’t think it was a bad laydown given how he had played up to that point. I normally have problems letting a strong hand go even if my gut says my hand was no good.

This topic comes up from time to time. The answer is always the same. Unless the player shows you his cards before you fold its a mistake to fold a set with 100bb stacks.

Basically you save the odd stack when you are correct but loose far more than you save with all the bad laydowns.. most of the time the set will be the best hand.

So if you look at this hand in isolation, sure its the right thing to do, but if you look at this hand as part of an overall strategy, its a strategy with a lower EV than one where we dont fold sets.

And since winning poker is not results orientated, we cant say well done because this type of lay-down is reducing your win-rate not increasing it.

Do you understand?

He doesn't, I assure you.