KQ hole cards K flop and I fold

#1 23rd September 2011, 3:41 AM

I was playing live 1/2 with someone who was a tight player. He raised preflop to 10 with about 3-4 callers including me.

My hole cards: KQ

Flop:

7 K 10 (rainbow)

He bet 15 I called. Everyone folds

7 K 10 2

He bet 30 or 35.

and I folded. I put him on AA .... AK or a set.......

thoughts?

#2 23rd September 2011, 3:50 AM

What are stack sizes, positions and how has he played big hands before?

#3 23rd September 2011, 3:53 AM

I have roughly 200 and so does he.... i'm in position

how he played big hands is unknown...though he plays few hands

#4 23rd September 2011, 3:57 PM

So he bet $15 into like $50 in a 5 way pot? Surely AK or AA would bet a little bigger because atleast one of the players is likely to have hit that flop and will want to continue.

#5 23rd September 2011, 4:10 PM

He probably had a pocket pair smaller than yours I am thinking and was hoping you would fold or not

#6 23rd September 2011, 4:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evildoesit2003

He probably had a pocket pair smaller than yours I am thinking and was hoping you would fold or not

no

#7 23rd September 2011, 4:26 PM

As played without knowing much about anything on the table i'd call down to SD. Even if you are beat atleast you now know he bets small w/ AA (i.e overrates overpairs, therefore you have more IO on hands against him). Also it would imply he probably bets bigger on missed hands (people tend to do the opposite if they're not a good player) so when he bets pot you can probaly peal a bit lighter. If indeed he did have air or something like AJ you know he bets small in MW pots with marginal holdings, and is capable of dubbing with marginals too. etc

#8 27th September 2011, 3:17 PM

Why would you call with KQo, hit top pair and not continue when a safe card comes? I dont like the call with KQ preflop, especially if villain is a tight player and raised 5x BB. Villain's range is probably an Ace with a good kicker like K, Q, or J or possibly AA, KK, QQ, or JJ. As played, I dont like the fold on the turn since that turn card didnt really change the situation unless you were fishing for a Queen which is not recommended.

#9 27th September 2011, 5:28 PM

I don;t know buddy, prob two-pair---like something like, 5-10.

#10 27th September 2011, 6:06 PM

Quote:

and I folded. I put him on AA .... AK or a set.......

...and...

Quote:

I don;t know buddy, prob two-pair---like something like, 5-10.

Why?

He can be 2 barrelling any draw and any made hand. So any pair + AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, QJ, QT, JT. The truth is that we know nothing about the villain.

I'm not folding this and I'm taking it to showdown.

#11 7th October 2011, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klimt

I was playing live 1/2 with someone who was a tight player. He raised preflop to 10 with about 3-4 callers including me.

My hole cards: KQ

Flop:

7 K 10 (rainbow)

He bet 15 I called. Everyone folds

7 K 10 2

He bet 30 or 35.

and I folded. I put him on AA .... AK or a set.......

thoughts?

Looks like a crazy fold to me. If he's really "that tight" you shouldnt flat KQ to begin with.
But I really doubt he was as tight as you thought he was. If you're gonna flat KQ pre you have to call that turn.

#12 15th October 2011, 1:28 PM

If you flated looking for a monster fold flop vs a cbet in a mw pot.

#13 25th October 2011, 6:09 PM

Haha, this position sucks. Unless you are confident in your hand reading abilities then, no, you shouldn't be calling pf against someone you perceive as tight. Yea, you have to call because you're getting like 6:1 and if this game is anything like the 1/2 games I played he is probably terrible and can have KJss or even something like JQ. I have to agree though, you're probably beat but you if you give him KJ and JQ, added to the times you will simply spike Qball on the river against AK or AA, you should call as long as he bets this weak.

#14 25th October 2011, 6:20 PM

I'm never folding on that flop once I call the bet hell I'm seeing you till the river

#15 25th October 2011, 6:22 PM

Not sure what you was trying to achieve in calling the flop bet to then fold the turn?

With several callers, I guess a call is ok PF, to hit that sicko straight but once the King hits, you either go with it, or don't. Don't call and hope to hit a Queen or another King...

Question for you, why did you just "call" the flop bet with the intention of folding the turn when no scare (ace) card comes?

#16 25th October 2011, 6:35 PM

calling and folding turn is perfectly fine, wtf. you guys act like his flop turn betting range is the same as his flop c-bet range.

#17 25th October 2011, 6:48 PM

How is folding fine? We have pretty limited information and just got 2 barrels from a relative unknown. You're right that you COULD be behind, but there are a lot of times when this is a worse K, or some other random hand that this "tight" player doesn't want to let go of. His range on the turn is slightly stronger that his range on the flop. So we can expect he has something now. Or at least what he perceives as a valuable hand. We have way too much showdown value to simply chuck TPGK on the turn.
I kind of hate folding here. Call i bet you win more calling than you do folding.

#18 25th October 2011, 6:54 PM

lol wat

#19 25th October 2011, 6:57 PM

lol he's not "cbetting" half pot oop into 3 players.

#20 25th October 2011, 7:01 PM

If he's tight enough to only bet twice when you're beat with TPGK, you shouldn't be in the hand to start with. Fold preflop.

#21 25th October 2011, 7:05 PM

I would have folded pre-flop .. after entering the hand and judging by the way he played though I would assume he had a smaller pair or a very similar hand to what you were holding and i would have saw a showdown.

#22 25th October 2011, 7:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baudib1

calling and folding turn is perfectly fine, wtf. you guys act like his flop turn betting range is the same as his flop c-bet range.

Well I believe Nascar answered the question for you...But once again I'll just say If I'm calling Pre with KQ against an Unknown player and I hit like this then I'm not folding

Quote:

Originally Posted by NascarFanSS

I would have folded pre-flop .. after entering the hand and judging by the way he played though I would assume he had a smaller pair or a very similar hand to what you were holding and i would have saw a showdown.

+1

#23 25th October 2011, 7:59 PM

I'm not folding, I'm saying you can.

#24 25th October 2011, 8:04 PM

Not folding either.

-

#25 25th October 2011, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

If he's tight enough to only bet twice when you're beat with TPGK, you shouldn't be in the hand to start with. Fold preflop.

Wow how was this not brought up earlier? Holy shit.

If you don't want to fold pre at least squeeze...

#26 25th October 2011, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgomez89

Wow how was this not brought up earlier? Holy shit.

If you don't want to fold pre at least squeeze...

Ok but to Squeeze would'nt we need some sort of Information on the player type correct? Also because OP stated villain is somewhat tight trying to squeeze against a tight player would seem like a reasonable plan but how would they react to it that's another question in itself correct?

Yet you are correct your the first to bring this up

#27 25th October 2011, 11:48 PM

agreed that if hes that super nitty post then calling pre is a bad idea unless you are deep enough to mine for 2 pair, and even then KQ isn't a good hand to do it against a tight player who will have you your outs a lot, JTs would be way better

Play Texas Hold'em Online Poker \| KQ hole cards K flop and I fold
BetOnline Poker is a top online poker site accepting all US players with an INSTANT cash bonus of up to $900 FREE. It also has a casino and sports betting available.	PokerStars is one of the best sites to play online poker. Using PokerStars marketing code CCHAT you get a $600 bonus. Note: No US Players Accepted.