KK vs AA

your all forgetting one thing chip stack and table position. If your short stacked at the table and have KK/AA push your chips all in there is no way in hell you would slow play them in that situation. On the other hand if you have a reasonable stack compared to everyone else at the table i would check or call the BB with KK just to see the flop. This has worked for me plenty of times. Out of all the times I have had KK and checked/called the BB, I probably flopped a set 75% of the time.

check pocket aces and die /chris fergesson/howard lederer

The best thing to do with pocket aces is to raise a lot. Pockets aces are not as good as they sound. They lose a lot if you do not know how to bet with aces. With aces you want to stay away of flops with straight draws, flush draws, or any pair on the board. This way the only way to lose is to two pair. Make sure you raise a lot before flop because this way you can kinda of guess at what your opponent has because you know he/she would have had to call with something good.

i would rather have the kk. i seem to win more than with AA. bigger pots too.

It doesn't really matter what pocket pair you have if its verse a overpair the odds are the same. AA vs KK is just difficult because it is very difficult to lay down kings preflop and almost nobody ever does. After the flop is another story and people generally are overly attached to big pocket pairs due mainly to the expectation of winning with them which is often overexaggerated

With AA i like to just call the blind (especially when i am early to act). That way i let someone else at the table make the raise for me and i can quietly play a huge hand before i psychologically rape them as i turn over my rockets. Even if there are more people in the hand than there would have been if i raised, i would still rather take my chances of seeing a shiesty flop than scaring everyone away preflop with a monster hand. (obviously this strategy would change in different situations: i.e. if i have the big stack at the table)

This is nonsense man.The odds of AA losing against 77 are more than AA losing against KK cause the 77 hand gives you more straights.

[quote=RhiNy6705]KK vs AA is a pretty well known match in the poker world. If you have the AA, you have a slight advantage. If the Flop shows lets say a Q K A, you still have the advantage even thought your opponant has 3 of a kind also. If the community finishes with a K, you have lost because of 4 of a king - but that is more then likely NOT to happen[/QUOTE one other big head ache is Poc K"s you can't really play em big because what if you get A 2 4 on board well you know that the A will crush you then u havve the chasers looking for strs. so thats another one of those you got to wait till end to make your move the pr of A's will make a bet for you too feel out and then you know you K's are no good

hey i was wondering since you knew the odds of A's and 7's was that in a book and if so are there any books out there that give you hand odds i know there are Poker strategy books but what about ones that tell you odds of your hand against others.

I have gotten beat with my trip Aces before, by a straight, i was furious.

Gotti i don`t know about books you can always do the math yourself but go check
www.pokerlistings.com On the main page is a odds calculator you can choose your hand and your opponents hand you can calculate the odds then.If you can add the flop and check the odds now.And of course you can add the turn.Hope this will help you.But anyway KK is the biggest underdog against AA together with 22 cause they can make just two straights and when you have two A they almost have no chance for on of the straights.So everytime i have AA i hope my opponent has a KK and not some shitty 66 with 5 possible straights

The odds of any pocket pair vs a larger pocket pair is approximately 4 to 1 or 80% to 20% of course it deviates slightly with different straight and flush possibilities but is basicly the same or within a percentage point in all pair vs pair confrontations and any differences brought on by the suits and or straight draws availible to different pairs in negligible

OK to finish this here are the exact odds for AsAc against KhKd -81.1% acec wins
0.4% they draw 18.6 % Kings wins.And here is AsAc against 7h7d- 79.7%acec
0,3 draw and 20.1 sevens wins

So the question i have is do you slow play AA or raise lots (how much) or do you go all in. Or is there to many situations for someone to answer me.

If you are shrot on chips you go all in cause you need some chips even little.If you are lets say chip leader you must at least i think like this slow play them in order to win as much as you can.No one is going to pay an all in on the chip leader unless he has monster hand KK QQ AK .

KK and AA are the best hands to do all in, but if u are KK and play V AA, this is real bad luck... :P

everybody likes to get pocket aces but sometimes they can be your downfall if not played right. barbwire7186

aces are the better hand but if the AA slowplays and a flush draw come out kk coul take it down

I'm with DevilCat, if I'm holding kings and an ace hits the board, I'm out if the stakes are high. On the other hand, aces only seem to be good to me against one player, if mutiple people stay in, aces become a lot weaker.

As mentioned it really depends on your predicament, but also I will play pairs differently
against different opponents. At a table with people who are very aggressive and tend
to not get out of the way when they should, I'll place a much larger bet preflop, whereas against good players a big raise would just waste the hand when everyone folds and I take down a minimum size pot. Of course its good to throw in the variations too... sometimes I like to check those high pairs on the flop if theres a person behind you who's raised you nearly every single hand you try to limp into and I'm just waiting
to catch him with an allin checkraise.

we have a saying where i play

kk= suicide kings everyone seems to loose with them - slow play them, all in catch a 3rd king you are doomed, fold those bastards pre-flop, even if you are big blind and noone has raised!

the other day on paradise i was big blind and got AA and was pretty happy, a lot of action so i did the minimum raise when it got back to me, a few raises and then some one went all in. i was licking my lips, then he revealed AA as well. Oh well i thought, split pot, there was alot of extra cash from the action - the bastard got an ace high flush and i was roosted

I hate to be in that situation when I have the KK.

My curse seems to be KA. Don't feel I cannot play it but almost always get beaten with it.

I like KK myself... I like it better than AA cos u know if u raise and soemone calls and an A comes on board, your beaten. With AA you can only assume whats beating you which makes things more difficult..

Worst thing happened to me ova day.. someone goes all in, i call with KK, he has AA... I lost.. Day after had another game.. I got AA, someone goes all in with KK, I call, K on flop.

Now thats bad luck.. was with same person as well... thats £20 i lost in 2 days! Oh well.

Man, every time I get KK I lose to some miracle card. Well, that is except for all the times I forgot that I won.


Keep in mind that we tend to remember our tough beats much more easily than our great victories with KK. KK vs Ax is around 70% favored. Please beat me with that stick of being all in preflop with KK vs Ax. Please let me play that exact situation for thousands of dollars every hand over and over and over until I'm living in a mansion.

No offense, but I cant believe the thought put into figuring out that AA is a better hand than KK...

Again, another instance that I am sure is making baby jesus cry.

Extra, extra, read all about it....we here at the Cardschat Department of Factual Statement of the Obvious have come to the conclusion, after many hous of deliberation, that pocket aces are in fact, a favorite against an opponents pocket Kings. I would go into further detail about this phenomenon, but we are still working on many current projects. We have almost decided that going "all-in" with the stone cold nuts is a good idea. More to come.

I still laugh make fun of my one friends because twice in the same night i beat his pocket AA. With KK and with KQ. I know the odds werent in my favor but it felt good beating his AA twice within 1 night.

AA should win 99x out of 100 but it doesnt on internet poker the underdog is never as much as an underdog as they seem ,, they seem to make the worst hand turn round and bite ya in the ass

ya i can't believe there are 3 pages for this damn thread

Lol diablo, and yes the fact that there are 3 pages to this shows how overrated these hands are.

The only time I can ever fold KK pre-flop in a cash game is against a re-reraise all-in from a tight player, who ALSO knows that I am a tight player. He wouldn't do it with QQ or AKs, only with Aces, 99% of the time, unless he is tilted.

Usually with KK, the only way you can let it go is with an Ace on flop.

PokerDean your numbers are seriously off.
For the record, If I have KK, and they run into AA, all my money will most likely be in the middle pre-flop, and I will lose my ENTIRE stack 81% of the time.

Bill