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  #1  
13-03-2005, 10:30 AM
RhiNy6705
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KK vs AA

KK vs AA is a pretty well known match in the poker world. If you have the AA, you have a slight advantage. If the Flop shows lets say a Q K A, you still have the advantage even thought your opponant has 3 of a kind also. If the community finishes with a K, you have lost because of 4 of a king - but that is more then likely NOT to happen
 

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  #2  
14-03-2005, 2:21 AM
thegamer1972
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i think ace king vs kings is better matchup

i like a hand like ace king vs queens jacks or kings that makes it intreasting the draw vs the pocket pair!
  #3  
14-03-2005, 2:25 AM
Smackover
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What a concept

I would like to see either show up in my hand more often. Four hours the other night and the highest pocket pair I caught were J's.
  #4  
14-03-2005, 7:29 PM
HTFCacc2005
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Well In an AA v KK situation the odds are 80:20 obnv in favour of the ace. In a situation like mentioned where its AKQ on the flop, then the odds will probably be 97%to the Ace as, asuuming no flush draw, becuase they will be left with the only out the sole remaining K
  #5  
14-03-2005, 10:11 PM
Sorn
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KK is a cursed had for me. the odds are almost always aginst me....
  #6  
14-03-2005, 10:33 PM
DESSERTLADY
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what does the Song the Gambler say?(lol I think it was that song) "Every hand's a winner every hand's a loser.
Lose more often with KK than AA but man it bites when the AA gets kicked by a str8t.

Tina
  #7  
14-03-2005, 11:51 PM
TheDevilCat
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Most of my games I fold KK if I see A on the flop.. I think I do the best..
  #8  
15-03-2005, 9:07 PM
Turk88
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Nothing like the feeling of getting kicked in the balls when your AA gets busted
  #9  
15-03-2005, 9:08 PM
dustyweezer
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AA is better than KK no doubt about it.
  #10  
15-03-2005, 10:37 PM
ThECreWKiLLa
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that is probably the best situation u wanna be in with AA u dont wanna see suited connectors.
  #11  
16-03-2005, 7:50 PM
Zubris
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i think AA vs KK haveing ace you have BIG Advatage.. i would say huge.. he has to hit his king or some crazy flush/straith and you with ur aces need nothing ... you can take with pair or 2
  #12  
17-03-2005, 12:06 AM
EL_JAVIT
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Javier

I think that is the same to have the kings or a lower pair if you are going to play against pocket rockets. Last saturday i have been in that situation. In a no limit holdem i have kings and i reraise a friend, a big raise. He called me. The flop was 2-4-6 so he chacks and i moved all in. When he shows me the aces, oh my god!!! the turn was a 3 and the river a 5, lucky me!!!!
  #13  
17-03-2005, 12:52 AM
Zubris
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Javit yeah that happen sometimes but you can't count on it ))
  #14  
17-03-2005, 2:50 PM
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I hate KK ... even against one A .. I don't know why, but always the last card flopped tends to be an A in this situation ...
  #15  
17-03-2005, 8:50 PM
PokerPunk
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AA loses alot when i jhabe it
  #16  
17-03-2005, 11:23 PM
hess
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Kings can be a scary hand for me. I often have an opponent go all in while I have it. I then find myself thinking if my opponent has aces. Either way I call though, because it is too good of a hand to lay down.
  #17  
18-03-2005, 5:50 PM
iveyfan30
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it never fails, whenever i have kk in the hole and ace hits on the flop..i cant count the times my kk has been beat by ace rag....and i dont slow play them...i raise 6 ,7 sometimes 10x the big blind..still get called down with ace rag ,
  #18  
18-03-2005, 5:53 PM
Poker Jill
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I'd go for AA over KK, because as was mentioned, if one A appears on the flop I have a feelin it's over!! But I'll take KK over 27 offsuit anyday !
  #19  
18-03-2005, 7:16 PM
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I always play K K but unfortunately it really cost me today. I was in the lead of a freeroll tourney on pacificpoker with 34 people left. I lost big to A A and ended up finishing 29. It sucks when it happens like that but its not gonna stop me from playing K K. Its still the second best hand you can have before the flop and it really doesnt happen that often. It just really sucks though if it does happen and you end up on the short end of the stick.
  #20  
19-03-2005, 5:33 AM
KK_Cowboy
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Well I'll tell you

I have been playing poker for about 2 years and change now. And recently it seems like I can really sniff out when a person has an over pair. I was playing at a cash table the other day when I had AJ flop was J23 with a raise before the flop by someone else. I knew right then I was against an over pair and even pointed this out to the table. Giving a free lesson I called and sure enough they had QQ. Of course I had the last laugh with an ace on the turn.

But my crown jewel came the other day when I actually laid down KK against what was in fact AA. It is rare for KK vs AA to even happen, but it's even rarer to be able to lay something down. I do make mistakes but if you can get that feel you can save yourself a lot of trouble.
  #21  
19-03-2005, 6:19 AM
moneymadsen
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iveyfan30, in my opinion raising 10x the BB is just wasteful. At best you'll be lucky enough to get someone to make the mistake of calling you with queens - but most of the time (except when playing with loose players) you'll only get called by aces.

If you are playing in a game which people are calling with ace blank trying to run you down, it'd be better, in my opinion, to open it up for the size of the pot or 3 times the BB if you prefer - atleast if an ace flops you can toss it. However if you bring it in for a large amount, you'll have a tougher time throwing the hand away.

I do know what you mean however, I was in a game and had several players who would play ace anything like it was wild. One particular hand I had kings and bet it strong. I flopped top set, and continued. The turn gave the other two players in the hand an inside straight draw to their bare ace. I kept betting and sure enough I could see they both went runner runner for the straight. I didn't even bother putting the last bit of my money in. Just stick to your guns and you'll take the money in the long run.

On a side note, if a game is so loose that I'll have the same amount of people in the pot regardless of weither or not it's been raised - I might just limp in with the kings and wait for a board that I like. But of course I'd much rather have the luxury of raising and limiting the number of people in the pot.

-money
  #22  
19-03-2005, 10:06 PM
poker6joker9
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I read in Super System (the origonal one) about a hand where some guy Doyle knew had AA and the flop came up with 2 more aces (so the guy had 4 of a kind Aces) and was beaten by some guy that outdrew him to a Royal Flush runner-runner turn and river.

Now that is about as bizzar as it gets.
  #23  
19-03-2005, 10:08 PM
poker6joker9
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Oh and another thing- The worst beat Ive ever had was 4 Jacks being beat by a staight flush. I lost like $100 in that pot. Raslefrasle
  #24  
16-05-2005, 2:14 PM
J_Z
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To all the people that say that they hate AA or KK because they are cursed or because they lose for them here is some advice:

Play those hands against as few opponents as possible...preferably one

If you can play those hands against one other person who has AK or Ax or Kx you're a pretty nice favorite to win.
  #25  
16-05-2005, 3:26 PM
crawfs72
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RE:

Quote:
Originally Posted by DESSERTLADY
what does the Song the Gambler say?(lol I think it was that song) "Every hand's a winner every hand's a loser.
Lose more often with KK than AA but man it bites when the AA gets kicked by a str8t.

Tina
I agree everyhand can be different, and nobodys gonna lay down AA if somebody else goes all in
  #26  
16-05-2005, 4:45 PM
best999
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everytime I get pocket Ks I always lose. An Ace always comes on the flop and i have to fold because someone raises a lot. On the other hand when I got Aces i like the push the blins high.
  #27  
16-05-2005, 8:43 PM
Cabfed
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problems with KK

Too many people go all in with KK when a A-3 can call and hit an A and win the best is to make a heavy bet but ready to fold K-K if you get reraised.
  #28  
16-05-2005, 8:57 PM
endostank
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AA gets people in trouble when you start slow playing preflop...make sure you get enough people out then read into the flop...protect those rockets
  #29  
16-05-2005, 8:59 PM
Deezgnutz
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I have seen Party Poker deal out AA vs. KK many times... a lot during the first hand of a tourney... has anyone else seen this?
  #30  
16-05-2005, 9:02 PM
ryguy1418
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AA vs KK.....the KK is dominated bad, its not a slight advantage. hehe
  #31  
25-05-2005, 5:06 PM
tenbob
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AA vs KK

Lost with KK to A2o/s at the heads up stage of a tourney last night, I was on the big blind and was raised into so I reraised all in, got called and seen the flop come down A 2 6 that was all she wrote, dont think its worth going all in with KK only with AA, AK suited tends to win me more anyway .
  #32  
25-05-2005, 7:28 PM
policy_maker
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I hate pocket aces, but like playing the kk's
  #33  
26-05-2005, 4:10 AM
onebigblue
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i like my chances with either hand please deal them to me every other time . i mlike to use my physcic power of will like maverick to make my hand win lol
  #34  
27-05-2005, 12:17 AM
chrisjej
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So what are the odds of something like AD, AH against 67S?
  #35  
27-05-2005, 5:56 AM
The_Missnary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ThECreWKiLLa
that is probably the best situation u wanna be in with AA u dont wanna see suited connectors.
That's right. I forgot the exact hand but it was something like 7-6 suited is the best hand to have when going up against a high pocket pair because of the straight and flush possibilities..
 

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