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  #1  
29-08-2007, 12:29 AM
Ronaldadio
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Interesting NL holdem strategy here...read this

Hi guys.

No, I`m not back playing but I still have time to read sites

Here is an interesting concept Texas Holdem Starting Hands - Winning Texas Holdem Starting Hands - Texas Holdem Hands

Lots of it, seems, to be flawed - what do u guys think???

They seem to put QQ with 22 in strength pre flop - interesting to say the least???

Any of it make sense???

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  #2  
29-08-2007, 12:46 AM
Dorkus Malorkus
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that whole article is so incredibly awful i don't know where to start

only play QQ- for set value? lol

only play face cards in multiway (>4 player) pots? looool

play Axs from any position and never raise with it (even AKs)? roflololf

basically some idiot thinks he's smart and decided to write a poker guide when in reality he's a weak-tight nit who probably beats 0.01/0.02 NL for 0.5BB/100 or something.
  #3  
29-08-2007, 12:47 AM
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That is so bad it hurt my brainball.
  #4  
29-08-2007, 1:20 AM
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I do believe that texas holdem article on texas holdem is flawed. Profitable texas holdem is nothing like what he's trying to preach about texas holdem. Stay away from it if you play texas holdem.

Texas holdem.
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29-08-2007, 1:46 AM
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Umm, what gane was the artucke about? Wish the guy had made that clear.........

Last edited by reglardave : 29-08-2007 at 1:48 AM. Reason: doh
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29-08-2007, 1:49 AM
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At Last!!!! The source for donkish play is revealed!
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29-08-2007, 1:55 AM
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Texas hold 'em!

That article's quite funny. Awful, but quite funny.
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29-08-2007, 2:08 AM
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re: Interesting NL holdem strategy here...read this

I borrowed this from Member Monoxide, originally responding to a totally different thread, but I think it's appropriate nere:

i dont... i cant... what?
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29-08-2007, 2:23 AM
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The article was so bad I think it gave me crabs.
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30-08-2007, 2:47 AM
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Any of you know where the guy who wrote it plays? I'm feeling lucky all of a sudden.
  #11  
30-08-2007, 5:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckTs
I do believe that texas holdem article on texas holdem is flawed. Profitable texas holdem is nothing like what he's trying to preach about texas holdem. Stay away from it if you play texas holdem.

Texas holdem.
The phrase "texas holdem" is found on that one web page a staggering......

70 times
  #12  
30-08-2007, 5:07 AM
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At Last!!!! The source for donkish play is revealed!
Give him credit though, he's a genius! Now he can take his many protege and take all their money. Brilliant!
  #13  
30-08-2007, 5:41 AM
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And, strangely, ten became a face card.
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30-08-2007, 11:47 AM
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I didnt finish reading it i was to tired of hearing, texas holdem, texas holdem, texas holdem, texas holdem.....
  #15  
30-08-2007, 3:29 PM
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I disagree with all of you. The article is very informative. Gave me insight into somethings I never knew:

"However, the value of AA and KK goes down when several people stay to see the flop. AA and KK play well heads up but turn into a poor hand in a multi-player pot. For that reason you need to put in a big pre flop raise with AA and KK."
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30-08-2007, 4:43 PM
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re: Interesting NL holdem strategy here...read this

Quote:
Originally Posted by smells_flushy
I disagree with all of you. The article is very informative. Gave me insight into somethings I never knew:

"However, the value of AA and KK goes down when several people stay to see the flop. AA and KK play well heads up but turn into a poor hand in a multi-player pot. For that reason you need to put in a big pre flop raise with AA and KK."
I TEXAS HOLDEM disagree with you TEXAS HOLDEM. That TEXAS HOLDEM article TEXAS HOLDEM is about 90% crap TEXAS HOLDEM and 10% repetitions of TEXAS HOLDEM.

TEXAS HOLDEM
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30-08-2007, 5:13 PM
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lol, I was kidding, you Dork!
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30-08-2007, 5:15 PM
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i too was TEXAS HOLDEM being somewhat sarcastic, as illustrated in my TEXAS HOLDEM numerous uses of TEXAS HOLDEM.
  #19  
30-08-2007, 5:35 PM
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Texas holdem. Poker.
  #20  
30-08-2007, 5:38 PM
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"We recommend a raise or re-raise of at least 10% of your stack."

LOLz?
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30-08-2007, 5:46 PM
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Quote:
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"We recommend a raise or re-raise of at least 10% of your stack."

LOLz?
and at the low limits, a raise of 25% of your stack! lol
  #22  
30-08-2007, 7:45 PM
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I kept looking for a small Texas Holdem disclaimer saying this Texas Holdem site was a parody of a real Texas Holdem strategy site. Texas Holdem!


LOL just found this

If the action has been checked to you make a top pair bet on the flop. That means a bet the size of the pot.
  #23  
30-08-2007, 10:33 PM
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I can't believe this, is it a joke. How could someone put so much bad info in one place. Someone needs to call the poker police.
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31-08-2007, 2:55 AM
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re: Interesting NL holdem strategy here...read this

Bet he redirects everyone hes playing to that site to read it to. That way he can triple the BB every hand and know noone is gonna call and he just kicks back collecting blinds all day. Well that and he really really wanted to practice typing Texas Holdem.
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31-08-2007, 4:32 AM
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ahahahahha... this absolutely has to be a joke. Between the ridiculous usage of "texas holdem" and the god awful strategy, I can't allow myself to believe this was written in earnest
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31-08-2007, 7:44 AM
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What's so funny about this is that there are so many players that play just like this. Limping with Ak and Mid to high PPs. Rating Q-10 the same as AK, etc.

We may laugh but these are the donks that after we get a bad beat we say "how the hell could he have played that hand like that?".

I especially like where he says to fold AK suited to a bet of higher than 2X the BB. Brilliant.
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02-09-2007, 10:39 PM
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Im going to go against the flow of most of the posts here and suggest the article does have some merit. Sure, there are things here that I wouldn't do - for example I wouldnt typically limp with AK or QQ. But the central thrust of the article is to wait for big hands prior to putting big money in the pot, and especially not to overcommit of a single pair, which seems pretty sensible to me. The strategy is very similar to another one espoused here...

No-Limit Texas Hold'em Strategy - Poker-Strategy.org

The strategy seems to be aimed at the low limits, where the play is very loose and it is often it is hard to put people on a hand. and the authors themselves admit that it is not suitable for all games and especially higher stakes. I thought the way they described leaks and losing streaks was also interesting. So, I gained something from the article, even if I didnt agree with all of it.
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02-09-2007, 11:03 PM
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can someone tell me what face is on the 10 card?
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02-09-2007, 11:32 PM
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can someone tell me what face is on the 10 card?
woodrow wilson, he's hidden inside the 0
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03-09-2007, 7:45 AM
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Four Texas Holdem score and seven Texas Holdem years agi, our Texas Holdem fathers brought forth on this Texas Holdem continent a new Texas Holdem nation, conceuved in Texas Holdem dumbassery, and dedicated to the Texas Holdem proposition that all Texas Holdem donkeys only play Texas Holdem pocket queens for Texas Holdem set value.
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03-09-2007, 8:48 PM
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woodrow wilson, he's hidden inside the 0
It's not woodrow wilson, It's WALDO!
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08-09-2007, 5:29 AM
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re: Interesting NL holdem strategy here...read this

My head hurts ,I gotta take a nap.
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09-09-2007, 6:13 AM
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Posted here in 2005

Someone posted this earlier on this site, I lost the thread, I read it and have shared it with a lot. I agree with it. Mainly has to do with free rolls but I use it to play ALL, be it chip tables, sng, or free roll/big trny's.

1. Be patient.
I've put this rule first as I believe patience is the number one most important quality required to do well in the freerolls. One important point to bear in mind is that freerolls usually have hundreds of entrants and can take several hours to complete. If you want to be there at the final table you will need to be very patient.

2. Be Aggressive.
Freerolls are multi-table tournaments and you will usually be seated at a table of ten all the way through the tournament. This is a good thing in a way as it means you don't need to adjust your play to suit a shorter table, but it does mean that when you do have a good hand you need to play it aggressively. Top pairs like Aces and Kings should always be raised strongly pre-flop as they can often come unstuck after the flop. Whenever you get a good hand, ie a high pair or AKs, AQs, you must be aggressive.

3. Play less hands.
As well as being aggressive you need to be controlled and play less hands. Don't be tempted to play hunches, sit tight and wait for the good hands then play them aggressively. A good rule of thumb is to throw away any hand that contains a card that's lower than an eight.

4. Use your table position.
If you are first or second in the betting, a King 10 isn't a very good hand. There are nine players to follow you and if any of them have a pair or an Ace or a King with Queen or Jack then you are struggling. However if you are at the end of the betting and you can "limp in" with a call or check, then your KT becomes an altogether better prospect. Nobody has raised yet so your King might be good and it is certainly worth seeing the flop.

5. Vary your play.
Although you need to be patient and wait for a good hand, don't become too predictable. If you only play the big hands and always raise then your opponents will simply back down and let you take the blinds. The trouble with this is you won't be winning enough in blinds to keep your head above water as you are playing too few hands. You need to vary your style of play and become hard to read.

6. Avoid bluffing.
Bluffing should be avoided, except on very rare occasions. As there are always ten people at the table there is a very high chance that someone will have a good hand each time and will want to go against you, even if you go all in. All in on a bluff is almost suicidal at the online poker freerolls, there's nearly always somebody prepared to call you and you have little chance of surviving.


7. Watch your opponents and learn their playing style.
You can learn a lot of valuable poker information just by watching your opponents at the table. Do they bet almost every hand, do they sit back and wait for a good hand (like you!), do they fold easily at the first sign of a raise, do they just want to see a free card, is there a "maniac" who raises every hand?

8. Concentrate on the game.
If you want to find out how your opponents play, you need to concentrate fully on what you're doing. Don't write emails while your playing or surf other sites, and turn off that TV!

9. Avoid hesitation.
If you hesitate before you make your move then it is seen as a sign of weakness. In online poker freerolls you can't watch your opponent's reaction or see them sweat and one of the few "tells" that you have is the speed at which your opponent makes his move. The worst sin here is to hesitate for a while then check, you have just told the table you don't have a hand but you want to see the next card. You will simply be raised straight out of the hand.

10. Don't chase draws.
It can be very tempting when you see that you have a straight draw, (eg you've got a 6 7 and there's a 5 and 8 in the flop) but the reality is that this hand rarely produces a winner. If you can see the other cards free or for a cheap call then by all means take a look, but remember at this point you have absolutely nothing and your opponents have almost certainly got at least a pair.

11. Remember that your opponents will play different cards from you.
Just because you are doing everything right doesn't mean that they will too! People will play all sorts of hands, especially in an online poker freeroll and you can expect some crazy bad beats. Particular attention should be paid to the possibility of straights, if there are three cards on the table like 5 6 8 for example, there's a good chance somebody might be playing with a 7 4!

12. Treat the freerolls seriously.
Although you're not investing any money to take part in the online poker freerolls, you are investing a chunk of your time so take them seriously. They are a good training ground for learning poker tournament skills and to win one is a very good achievement. Not to mention you will win some money!

Gl and may all your hands be AA, or your favorite hand, and it win

Alf
 



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