Improving Postflop Play

I realise I need to be able to improve my postflop skills to beat 50nl+ alot harder than I am/was, so do any experienced players, mainly players who are beating 50nl+ have any ideas how I go about improving postflop.
Is it a matter of experience or are there components you have to work on such as hand reading, ranges etc
Any material or anything I can use to help me improve would be awesome

Play in position. It's a lot easier than oop.

Seriously.

is that the only way to improve postflop belgo ?

The best advice i could give you is that you observe your rivals. Take notes on betting patterns, hand ranges, etc.

I much easy to make decisions when you have an idea of what the other player is doing in general.

^^^ +1
I found that, it even works in 2nl, even works better in MTT's.
position is the key, to a great game.

Thought, you could post some of the hands your having problems on, so the ones who have played 50nl could help you out..

+1 this.

Also, read Harrington on Hold 'Em II if you haven't already. Its all about post-flop play.

Hard to say without knowing what you're already skilled at, but for me, the big key was moving from playing mostly my cards to mostly my opponent. Figuring out their playing styles, then applying lines that get the best value for the hand I have versus that particular player.

And yeah, playing in position is so awesome it's not even funny.

I don't play 50nl+ but I would have to give a +1 to play in position, it makes post flop play a lot easier.

Start by running thru HEM/PT3 and look at your c-bet opportunities. Are you missing some, are you making poor c-bet choices (wet flop, calling stations, etc.)

Get some coaching by having a hand history review.

there is a lack of postflop stuff on this forum but its got some solid low stakes regs here surely somebody must have some material or HEM filters you can run to find postflop leaks

¿Do you know how to configure pokertracker 3 to make this kind of analisis?

I have the program but i mostly use it to check out my winning, i don't know how to alanize my game with it.

Well Jurn you're asking an hugely vague and general question here. A million books could be written on postflop play and still not cover everything. I guess for some general answers, I'd say:

- Run some flop texture analysis stuff (pokerazor, stoxpoker combo) to understand how various ranges hit various flop textures
- Figure out street by street equities for various hands/ranges against various other hands/ranges
- Think about your opponents range and just try to exploit him as best you can

Postflop stats aren't something you can look at and make a blanket statement about your play to solve everything. Like you can't really say 'barrel turn more' unless your numbers are way off, because postflop can be so specific and the situations can vary so drastically. Plus completely different frequencies can still work, like cbetting %80 vs cbetting %40.

andosalado: there are plenty of pokertracker/hem posts in the strategy section, just run a search.

Bet the river more often.

thanks chuck, I just read your poker razor posts and they look awesome for postflop analysis. thanks for your input dude!

Make sure you are applying your full hand reading skills to every hand!
When multitabling it is so easy to go into autopilot and play for weeks on end not applying the skills that give you such a huge edge.
If you ever find yourself backtracking through your play when it comes to getting your stack in for a big pot you may well be a victim of auto-pilot syndrome as we should be handreading at every stage of every hand!

You'd be amazed at the extra value, and extra bluffs you can pull of in these little pots when your giving every hand the analysis you would with forum posted hands.
Reducing tables may be needed for this.

Heck I've no evidence your autopiloting but I think everyone becomes guilty of it sooner or later and its the most important generalized point I could think off.

so would you suggest reviewing in detail i.e. pokerstoving or poker razor and really thinking about hand ranges etc for every big pot I win or lose?

We could do a thread on this.

I have started using Poker Razor.. I just need some motivation.

Might be good to do as a group

We need some postflop strategy or threads going because there isnt alot of good quality postflop stuff on CC.

Yeah you suggest something stu and we can get it set up mate.

Also what pots would you say are big pots? when you commit >75BB ? or more than 100BB in total?

Well lets just start off with continuing what chuckts was doing.

Lets assess what flops ae good flops to cbet against some standardised villians ranges.

We could then look at what a call or reraise from our villian is likely to represent.

gogogo, do it up. Can only be a good thing, for both you and the site.

Work on playing better in 3bet pots.

Another good exercise to practice hand-reading is to look back over your database and try to read your own hand based on your actions. Are you too predictable?

Ok well I set the thread up.

Im not going to be able to post much in it tonight.. but I really want to crack on with this from tomorrow.

EDIT: link to thread would be usefull

Official Poker Razor Study thread

I have a hand to review in there stu we can start

Get on it!!

its in the HA section, just wondered if I am using it correctly

I play $50 buy ins up to $500 buy ins... Post flop play is reading what they have been doing....... flush draw out there usually they bet a little more to protect it so if thats what you feel I usually reraise them a good amount where they will have to put their tournament life in on a flush draw..... just depends message me sometime if you want some advice.... I am doing a br challenge through my buddy on PS now im up to $79.63 from just the FPP points tourneys for bronze members... well GL

watch the table and take some simple notes....does this guy bet when he hits does he continuation bet....think about how u can take control away...how loose is he will he check and call a preflop raiser with second pair...things like that

I don't play online these days but I play a regular $80 buy in. When I first started this (having previous to this only played small online games), I got outplayed post-flop a few too many times and tightened up pre-flop, coming into the hand with a solid hand makes it much easier to know where you're at.

AT as opposed to T9s for example, you hit that T and you know he's got to have a higher pair or better to beat you and if he does it'll usually be fairly obvious, with the 9 kicker on the other hand, you've really got to know your opponent.


The stronger your hand selection is, the easier it'll be post-flop.
Start off that way and just be observent, it wont take long before experiance kicks in and you can rely on a good read to pull you through.

obvs but you will just be labelled as a nit and get no action but your obvs a tourney player and this was about cash, whole diff game.

Actually I play cash games, and it worked for me. You might get labelled a rock but you'll still get action.

I'm not saying play only the top 10 hands, just saying play fewer than you are right now. Drop smaller suited connectors and only play 89s and T9s from position.

Just don't get yourself in marginal situations too much (and certainly not when you don't have position). It works while you're getting used to a new level of play.

I'm guessing you're not going to follow this advice and that's fine, you do what you want.

But it works.
People call too much, that's their weakness. Playing tighter makes them think of you as a rock but you'll still get action.

I don't disagree with what you say, but the question is improving post flop play.

It assumes that you play a decent pre flop game.

With that in mind, your advice is that someone who already plays a decent preflop game should tighten up and play more positionally... which is why I think Jurn8 is pointing out that you will simply be playing an extremely nitty game and get no action.

I dont think your advice is that someone playing a 15/12 or 13/11 game should or would improve their post flop play by playing a 6/4 game.

So really you are talking about preflop adjustments, which should already be in place.

lock this thread please