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Poker - I can't beat $10NL
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Trying too hard to play poker still. Just sit back, wait for sets/AA/KK/QQ/AK.
10nl isn't poker, it's a money farm |
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Looks to me like you're reraising all in with nothing too often. When they're not folding to big bets even though they have nothing themselves...I just don't even both trying to bluff at all.
Perhaps you'll have more luck at $5 NL or $25 NL like I do. People seem to be better players that know when to fold more often. Also, play shorthanded instead longhanded. |
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I remember having this discussion awhile ago, where one poster claimed that anyone who could beat better players could beat worse players. The logic behind it was that if someone can win at higher levels and be using 3rd or 4th level thinking, that it shouldn't be hard for them to realize that they need to adapt and just use 2nd level thinking against people thinking on the 1st level.
This stood out right here: "Ok, this guy just can't fold ATo, no pair, no draw, but what am I supposed to do, just check and give up on the hand? Position and aggression are meaningless at this level, it really is just the cards?" As you can see, you'll be reaching showdown much more often than you're probably used to meaning having a hand is that much more important. You're not playing against good players and if you try to act as if you are you're going to get burned as you were in a lot of these hands. And of course this could be part of it: "FullTiltPoker Game #5472841218: Table Railbirds.com - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:47:55 ET - 2008/03/02" ![]() but in all seriousness if your opponents aren't looking at anything other than their cards, and seeing "OOH OOH GUT SHOT I CAN'T FOLD THAT", then a bluff isn't going to work. The other side of the coin is your value bets will be paid off like crazy. You know you shouldn't be bluffing at these people, you just can't help yourself. Bluffing at a calling station is really no better than chasing a flush draw without odds or any other form of throwing money away. Just tighten up preflop, you can probably try a cbet if you miss but if it is called you pretty much have to give up there, and just value bet the shit out of the hands you hit. That AT would have paid you off if you had a set as well, he couldn't see your cards. |
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nl5 is actually looking more profitable than nl10 for me. Ive been beating nl5 for 12.5 ptbb/100 but only beating nl10 by 5ptbb/100. Also, not only is the rake at fulltilt disgusting, so is the software and the support. Ive been sending them emails for days and still no reply. I just really cant see how a piece of shit site like that has got so big. I have more respect for cake poker. ![]() |
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The key is to be patient. I remember when I first started playing 10nl. I was in such a hurry to make money, but all I did was lose money. Also, make sure you have no distractions; no web browsing, watching tv, chatting on AIM, etc.
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Are you playing any tighter since the last time you posted your stats? I think you need to try to get your VP$IP down to around 15% and get your AF up by playing raise or fold poker. You're doing too much calling preflop.
Also you need to remember that this is not tournament poker. You can't threaten these players with elimination by throwing out a big bet. It also seems like you're targeting small stacks with your big bluffs and as you know this is the exact opposite of who you should be threatening with an all-in move. |
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Dropped three more buy-ins today. Losing w my sets. Unreal.
I don't agree with getting vp$ip down to 15%-- you wont get any action, even from the idiots. Also, when they don't fold to c-bets, raising is kind of pointless, as having the lead in the hand is not as valuable. Lower preflop raise percentage, with your aggression coming post flop when you hit seems to be the better path, especially out of position. What was the verdict on the rake? 10% is going to come out no matter what the cap is on both Stars and FT, right? |
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I'm assuming you mean 2/5 because 12.5ptbb/100 at 1c/2c is definitely not better than 5ptbb/100 at 5c/10c lol |
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Debating the rake and subtle vpip/pf raise statistics is, although helpful, not the main problem obviously if you're dropping multiple buy-ins in a given session. STOP MAKING MOVES. Clearly running bad is an issue but the thing that jumps out here is that you're playing poker not 10nl. Position means nothing. Image means nothing. Cards mean everything. Bluffs and plays gone wrong seem to have lost you many buy-ins, just cut these out. Oh, and start running better
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Yea gotta agree with Jake. Unless the games have changed substantially in the last year or so, playing hands for pure value is the only way, and ill say this in essence for a lot of nl$25 as well, even though bluffing can be more successful.
Another thing i notice from some of the hands that your posting AG your playing a VERY volitile style, pushing small edges for stacks whilst being profitiable in the long run, that run can be long, and variance can be a killer for a recretional player. Just curious how many hands have you logged in now ? Still looking to see a graph. You could also post your PT screenies for your biggest losing hands, (with the extra detail tab) |
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I feel I played well yesterday, except at the very end of the 1,500 hand session. Lost twice w QQ to sets vs. smaller stacks (is this avoidable? I can't really see how): FullTiltPoker Game #5483225475: Table Snow Trail - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:10:47 ET - 2008/03/03 Seat 1: Krisso ($18) Seat 2: loloo84 ($6.35) Seat 3: Vandalar ($9.90) Seat 4: JamesBont ($10.10) Seat 5: flinto ($6.40) Seat 6: IQ_999 ($11.05) Seat 7: adolf8880 ($1.85) Seat 8: Leo The Liger ($11.65) Seat 9: aliengenius ($10) Vandalar posts the small blind of $0.05 JamesBont posts the big blind of $0.10 aliengenius posts $0.10 The button is in seat #2 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to aliengenius [Qs Qc] flinto calls $0.10 IQ_999 folds adolf8880 has 15 seconds left to act adolf8880 folds Leo The Liger raises to $0.50 aliengenius calls $0.40 Krisso folds loloo84 folds Vandalar folds JamesBont folds flinto calls $0.40 *** FLOP *** [Jc 7h 5c] flinto bets $1.50 Leo The Liger folds aliengenius raises to $9.50, and is all in flinto calls $4.40, and is all in aliengenius shows [Qs Qc] flinto shows [Js 5d] Uncalled bet of $3.60 returned to aliengenius *** TURN *** [Jc 7h 5c] 2♥ *** RIVER *** [Jc 7h 5c 2h] 9♠ aliengenius shows a pair of Queens flinto shows two pair, Jacks and Fives flinto wins the pot ($12.15) with two pair, Jacks and Fives aliengenius: unreal *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $13.45 | Rake $1.30 Board: [Jc 7h 5c 2h 9s] Seat 1: Krisso didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: loloo84 (button) didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: Vandalar (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 4: JamesBont (big blind) folded before the Flop Seat 5: flinto showed [Js 5d] and won ($12.15) with two pair, Jacks and Fives Seat 6: IQ_999 didn't bet (folded) Seat 7: adolf8880 didn't bet (folded) Seat 8: Leo The Liger folded on the Flop Seat 9: aliengenius showed [Qs Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens and FullTiltPoker Game #5484072986: Table Desert Marigold - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:01:48 ET - 2008/03/03 Seat 1: mevans5791 ($3.10) Seat 2: cipches ($1.50) Seat 3: gggeorgio ($10.60) Seat 4: TheGaempler ($3.50) Seat 5: slvrJ ($4.20) Seat 6: siniperca ($13) Seat 7: aliengenius ($12.05) Seat 8: M Flatley ($2.85) Seat 9: Caroli61 ($3.75) Caroli61 has 5 seconds left to act Caroli61 posts the small blind of $0.05 mevans5791 posts the big blind of $0.10 The button is in seat #8 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to aliengenius [Qc Qd] cipches folds gggeorgio folds TheGaempler folds slvrJ calls $0.10 siniperca folds aliengenius raises to $0.45 M Flatley calls $0.45 Caroli61 folds mevans5791 calls $0.35 slvrJ calls $0.35 *** FLOP *** [3h 4d 7c] mevans5791 checks slvrJ checks aliengenius has 15 seconds left to act aliengenius bets $1.55 M Flatley folds mevans5791 has 15 seconds left to act M Flatley is feeling angry mevans5791 folds slvrJ calls $1.55 *** TURN *** [3h 4d 7c] J♥ slvrJ checks aliengenius bets $2 slvrJ raises to $2.20, and is all in aliengenius calls $0.20 slvrJ shows [4s 4c] aliengenius shows [Qc Qd] *** RIVER *** [3h 4d 7c Jh] 7♠ slvrJ shows a full house, Fours full of Sevens aliengenius shows two pair, Queens and Sevens slvrJ wins the pot ($8.45) with a full house, Fours full of Sevens *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $9.35 | Rake $0.90 Board: [3h 4d 7c Jh 7s] Seat 1: mevans5791 (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 2: cipches didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: gggeorgio didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: TheGaempler didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: slvrJ showed [4s 4c] and won ($8.45) with a full house, Fours full of Sevens Seat 6: siniperca didn't bet (folded) Seat 7: aliengenius showed [Qc Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sevens Seat 8: M Flatley (button) folded on the Flop Seat 9: Caroli61 (small blind) folded before the Flop I run goot: FullTiltPoker Game #5487427699: Table Bush Garden - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:11:55 ET - 2008/03/03 Seat 1: Iron Cougar ($21) Seat 2: thhorn42 ($9.85) Seat 3: NHMF ($1.65) Seat 4: aliengenius ($9.95) Seat 5: Atlasin ($3.10) Seat 6: Crespokarl ($9.65) Seat 7: christopherZ ($2.45) Seat 8: TX_Dillo ($10.25) Seat 9: robinr1 ($3.60) Atlasin posts the small blind of $0.05 Crespokarl posts the big blind of $0.10 The button is in seat #4 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to aliengenius [7h 7c] christopherZ folds TX_Dillo folds robinr1 has 15 seconds left to act robinr1 folds Iron Cougar calls $0.10 thhorn42 raises to $0.20 NHMF folds aliengenius calls $0.20 Atlasin folds Crespokarl calls $0.10 Iron Cougar calls $0.10 *** FLOP *** [7s Th Ac] Crespokarl checks Iron Cougar bets $0.30 thhorn42 calls $0.30 aliengenius raises to $2.05 Crespokarl folds Iron Cougar calls $1.75 thhorn42 folds *** TURN *** [7s Th Ac] 9♥ Iron Cougar checks aliengenius bets $7.70, and is all in Iron Cougar calls $7.70 aliengenius shows [7h 7c] Iron Cougar shows [Ah 6d] *** RIVER *** [7s Th Ac 9h] 8♦ aliengenius shows three of a kind, Sevens Iron Cougar shows a straight, Ten high Iron Cougar wins the pot ($18.65) with a straight, Ten high aliengenius adds $10 *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $20.65 | Rake $2 Board: [7s Th Ac 9h 8d] Seat 1: Iron Cougar showed [Ah 6d] and won ($18.65) with a straight, Ten high Seat 2: thhorn42 folded on the Flop Seat 3: NHMF didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: aliengenius (button) showed [7h 7c] and lost with three of a kind, Sevens Seat 5: Atlasin (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 6: Crespokarl (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 7: christopherZ didn't bet (folded) Seat 8: TX_Dillo didn't bet (folded) Seat 9: robinr1 didn't bet (folded) |
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Doubling up short-stacks with overpairs is somewhat unavoidable, regardless of the limits you play.
Also avoid tables like this........Notice how we have 6 shortstacks. We want to be playing deep most of the time if at all possible, in order for us to take advantage of implied odds, as most of the time a nl$10 player, will not fold an overpair, regardless of how deep they are playing. FullTiltPoker Game #5484072986: Table Desert Marigold - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:01:48 ET - 2008/03/03 Seat 1: mevans5791 ($3.10) Seat 2: cipches ($1.50) Seat 3: gggeorgio ($10.60) Seat 4: TheGaempler ($3.50) Seat 5: slvrJ ($4.20) Seat 6: siniperca ($13) Seat 7: aliengenius ($12.05) Seat 8: M Flatley ($2.85) Seat 9: Caroli61 ($3.75) Caroli61 has 5 seconds left to act Caroli61 posts the small blind of $0.05 mevans5791 posts the big blind of $0.10 Get off Full Tilt, your paying an extra 5% rake, and unless you have a RB deal its not worth it, (even then its not worth it but better), and from my experience the rings on FT are just too nitty for my liking anyway, pokerstars plays better. Why all the massive flop bets ? Why are you raising to isolate donks with small pairs, when they play better multiway? Why are you bluffing missed draws on the river ? Why don't I see any hand posteds in HA for discussion? Why don't I see you in any hand discussions in HA ? I still think that your thinking like an MTT player. TBH if i was running at almost 5ptbb/100 over a 20K hand sample, id be very very worried. It also looks to me like you don't really care all that much either. Trust me, if you get your game right, this level is very beatable. But you have to work at it. (dont mean to come across overly harsh AG) |
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AG, i've been EXACTLY where you are, done well at the MTT's and SNG's, but just can't do a thing at the NL ring games. I've come to accept now that it just doesn't suit me. I certainly don't think they they are beyond me, I just don't find them of interest and they are not suited to my personality or personal situation. I haven't got the time or patience to put in the 4-5 hour sessions. I see hand histories posted from respected and successful members on site, and I think "why are they playing for 2 hours, and winning $5-$10"? Of course those $5-10 build up, and these are the players that amass the bankrolls and are then able to go up the levels, but I want to bluff people, I want to be the big stack bully, I want to hoover up the blinds, I want to move up the payout list, I dont want to win 30 cent pots, I dont want to win little pots and lose big ones, and I dont want to play on a table where i'm getting no action. I'm not a ring game player, but i would suggest that there are a large number of rock players, playing 4 or 8 tables, waiting and waiting for a big hand, running Pokeroffice and PAhud, and they are making consistent gains form players that are either total fish, or are playing too loose and too aggressive. You either need to completely change your style or just concentrate on what you are good at which is tournaments, where your loose agressive style is more likely to get you paid off. |
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I don't profess to be a ring game guru myself (though I am a winner at 25NL
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*What Tenbob said*
I've had a very difficult time adjusting to ring games. Here's the main point that I want to get across since I've been thinking about this a lot this past week. Ring games are all about implied odds. Where in a MTT or SNG, I'm almost never calling a raise with 78s, or 79s, or even playing 79s. The effective stack sizes other than maybe the first round of blinds make it not profitable. Plus, being the first in the pot you've got fold equity where in a cash game you don't have the fold equity like in a SNG. Meanwhile, in a cash game I'm calling a raise in position with a good drawing hand every time, specially if 2 or more people have shown interest. Yes I may miss 9 times out of 10 and lose 3BB every time, but the time I hit I've found I typically win upwards of 100 BB easily. Thats why TB mentions stack sizes and playing against people shortstacked. 78s on the button vs a 100BB stack's 3BB raise? hell ya I'm playing that. vs a 20BB stack? never. Same with small PP's. It's basically the polar opposite than MTT thinking. In a MTT, I'll happily push 55 against a small stack that doesn't threaten mine. Cash game? forget it No offense to the rocks / nits out there, but I don't agree that a vpip of 14 is a money maker. Low 20's is plenty tight enough and you'll still get action. AG, I guarantee that your post flop play is way better than 98% at this level. Play those good drawing hands, even OOP if the implied odds make it worthwhile. Also, for the most part, just play the cards you are dealt. Bluffing and making plays are long term losers at 10nl. Don't go broke with top pair in an unraised pot. Tone back the aggression a tad (specially PF), don't push small edges so hard. I read an article where Phil Ivy said that the place to take risks is in MTT's and not in ring games. I really didn't like the hand where you 3bet AIPF with AK. Nobody at these levels reraises with AQ/AJ type hands. This is your MTT thinking here using your fold equity, which I am sure you have exactly none vs someone reraising PF. FWIW, I'm rooting for you on this endeavor. |
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I was going to write some of the same stuff.
I've had half a dozen goes at playing ring over the last 3 years and Rob's post really echos my experiences. I can relate entirely. Then suddenly this time around something clicked and I've developed a completely reengineered game for Ring. The key has been a different mental approach to the game from my MTT one. Reading those hands above I see a tourney approach which is seeing you massively overcommitted in some spots where you should be keeping it small. |
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[quote=Dorkus Malorkus;737807]
That 77 hand you posted where you shoved the turn for like 4 times the pot with third pair or something was horrible, and obviously you know it was third set but can you explain a little more here why it was so bad I thought it was good move bad result ![]() |
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ok, I have some questions.
1. Regarding preflop aggression-- lower, right? Since having the lead in the hand isn't as valuable? 2. C-bets: no? What about against someone who ALWAYS calls the flop bet? It would seen that this would be an ideal person to bet into, as they will call your missed big ace with a weaker hand, but.... ? 3. This is overall a more passive form of poker in general? i.e., we will be doing a lot of calling preflop and check folding the flop, right? |
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More about potsize managment than tournies I feel.
You are looking to build the pot quickly with strength. But when you are weak you are looking to try and take a stab without creating a situation where you are then doomed to put in more chips behind on subsequent streets. Position postflop is of course critical for cbets. I've found cbetting works providing it's sized right and I then let go in the face of resistance or if the turn is checked to me and the board allows have another go there. Betting the turn with nothing if called on the flop requires a really solid context to be worthwhile even if I sense they are weak. If I'm playing for stacks it's because I am almost certain I'm ahead and I don't mind folding a lot of small pots when I'm ahead Probably going to need to get more elaborate at higher levels, but the number of fancy plays I've made in 20k hands at 25NL is tiny. I'm viewing it as a solid grounding before I move to games where people are playing the player rather than the cards. |
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1. I tightened up today (vp$ip down to 18.48). 2. I eliminated all off suit broadway hands, unless I had a tight image and the blinds were stealable when it was open folded to me late. 3. I tightened up considerably from the small blind. 4. Didn't stack for the whole ten bucks at all today. Here is my biggest single loss in one hand, a flush over flush: FullTiltPoker Game #5499047831: Table Bellview - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:30:09 ET - 2008/03/04 Seat 1: xxwonkoxx ($4.10) Seat 2: Blohm84 ($13.30) Seat 3: christopherZ ($2.10) Seat 4: GlamourGirl8 ($6.80) Seat 5: aliengenius ($10) Seat 6: Climber112 ($11.50) Seat 7: PythonWannabe ($4.50) Seat 8: OnkelKC ($10.70) Seat 9: adolf8880 ($1.70) GlamourGirl8 posts the small blind of $0.05 aliengenius posts the big blind of $0.10 The button is in seat #3 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to aliengenius [7d 8d] Climber112 folds PythonWannabe folds OnkelKC folds adolf8880 folds xxwonkoxx folds Blohm84 folds christopherZ folds GlamourGirl8 raises to $0.30 aliengenius calls $0.20 *** FLOP *** [5d Jd 3h] GlamourGirl8 bets $0.25 aliengenius raises to $0.75 GlamourGirl8 calls $0.50 *** TURN *** [5d Jd 3h] 3♣ GlamourGirl8 checks aliengenius bets $1 GlamourGirl8 calls $1 *** RIVER *** [5d Jd 3h 3c] 4♦ GlamourGirl8 checks aliengenius bets $5 GlamourGirl8 calls $4.75, and is all in Uncalled bet of $0.25 returned to aliengenius *** SHOW DOWN *** aliengenius shows [7d 8d] a flush, Jack high GlamourGirl8 shows [Qd Ad] a flush, Ace high GlamourGirl8 wins the pot ($12.25) with a flush, Ace high *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $13.60 | Rake $1.35 Board: [5d Jd 3h 3c 4d] Seat 1: xxwonkoxx didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: Blohm84 didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: christopherZ (button) didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: GlamourGirl8 (small blind) showed [Qd Ad] and won ($12.25) with a flush, Ace high Seat 5: aliengenius (big blind) showed [7d 8d] and lost with a flush, Jack high Seat 6: Climber112 didn't bet (folded) Seat 7: PythonWannabe didn't bet (folded) Seat 8: OnkelKC didn't bet (folded) Seat 9: adolf8880 didn't bet (folded) 5. Still only made 85 cents on my sets, few that they were. 6. Biggest wins were weird hands, one where I sucked out on a guy who slowplayed AA, the other where I randomly decided to play Q6s otb after several limpers and flopped a boat. FullTiltPoker Game #5500717183: Table Tara - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:56:13 ET - 2008/03/04 Seat 1: thenewevil ($2) Seat 2: iboing ($14.55) Seat 3: TX_Dillo ($9.30) Seat 4: Bloodyappie ($1.85) Seat 5: Lash16 ($11.40) Seat 6: Cuuldurach ($1.85) Seat 7: lojick01 ($8.25) Seat 8: aliengenius ($13.15) Seat 9: Bulldozer154 ($1.85) aliengenius posts the small blind of $0.05 Bulldozer154 posts the big blind of $0.10 The button is in seat #7 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to aliengenius [8c 9s] thenewevil folds iboing folds TX_Dillo folds Bloodyappie folds Lash16 calls $0.10 Cuuldurach folds lojick01 calls $0.10 aliengenius calls $0.05 Bulldozer154 checks *** FLOP *** [2c 4s 9h] aliengenius bets $0.40 Bulldozer154 folds Lash16 calls $0.40 lojick01 folds *** TURN *** [2c 4s 9h] 7♦ aliengenius bets $0.80 Lash16 calls $0.80 *** RIVER *** [2c 4s 9h 7d] 8♠ aliengenius bets $2.80 Lash16 raises to $5.60 aliengenius raises to $11.85, and is all in Lash16 calls $4.50, and is all in Uncalled bet of $1.75 returned to aliengenius *** SHOW DOWN *** aliengenius shows [8c 9s] two pair, Nines and Eights Lash16 mucks aliengenius wins the pot ($21) with two pair, Nines and Eights Lash16 is sitting out *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $23 | Rake $2 Board: [2c 4s 9h 7d 8s] Seat 1: thenewevil didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: iboing didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: TX_Dillo didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: Bloodyappie didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: Lash16 mucked [As Ad] - a pair of Aces Seat 6: Cuuldurach didn't bet (folded) Seat 7: lojick01 (button) folded on the Flop Seat 8: aliengenius (small blind) showed [8c 9s] and won ($21) with two pair, Nines and Eights Seat 9: Bulldozer154 (big blind) folded on the Flop FullTiltPoker Game #5501095025: Table Grandeur - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:26:59 ET - 2008/03/04 Seat 1: Regy69 ($9.75) Seat |