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: How often do you chase against odds?
Nicht! Nine! Never, Ever! 1 5.88%
Very, very seldom. 6 35.29%
Only when faced with a maniac. 0 0%
1-2 times per session to mix things up. 6 35.29%
Often because I'm loose. 2 11.76%
Always because I'm a maniac. 1 5.88%
What are odds? Who is Sklansky? 1 5.88%
Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll

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  Poker - How often do you chase against the odds?
 
  #1  
04-12-2006, 8:44 PM
MrSticker
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How often do you chase against the odds?

For example: How often do you chase the 3.5-1 flush with 2-1 pot odds? Or that 11-1 gutshot with 5-1 pot odds? Etc., etc.

If you do it often and care to elaborate, share with us below.
 

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  #2  
04-12-2006, 8:50 PM
combuboom
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Basically I only go against pot odds when I think that my implied odds are likely enough to make up for it when I hit.
  #3  
04-12-2006, 8:52 PM
MrSticker
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Quote:
Originally Posted by combuboom
Basically I only go against pot odds when I think that my implied odds are likely enough to make up for it when I hit.
You replied before the poll part got set up. Now you gotta vote, Comby.
  #4  
04-12-2006, 8:55 PM
combuboom
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Okee doke, voted.
  #5  
04-12-2006, 9:00 PM
tenbob
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSticker
For example: How often do you chase the 3.5-1 flush with 2-1 pot odds? Or that 11-1 gutshot with 5-1 pot odds? Etc., etc.

If you do it often and care to elaborate, share with us below.
Your talking about CALLING i assume.

I raise if im going to play these hands, so urrr never.
  #6  
04-12-2006, 9:04 PM
F Paulsson
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re: How often do you chase against the odds?

I have two possible answers for this. The first is "I don't." If I don't think I have the odds for it, I don't call.

The second, which is more honest, is "when I play for too long and become a tilt-monkey." It's not actually in conflict with the first answer, it's just that when I go on tilt I tend to drastically overcount my outs, so I'm not actually chasing against the odds I think I have; I just happen to be wrong more often.
  #7  
04-12-2006, 9:05 PM
MrSticker
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tenbob
Your talking about CALLING i assume.

I raise if im going to play these hands, so urrr never.
Nope, anything. Call, raise, check-raise. If you raise, you still risk that the other guy may have a better hand whether it be 1st to bet, last, or middle. Sure, there's implied odds involved in some situations. But how often do you go against the odds ANYTIME as a whole?

Last edited by MrSticker : 04-12-2006 at 9:15 PM. Reason: punctuation
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04-12-2006, 9:09 PM
tenbob
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Im going to say very very seldom, never in a ring game. Occasionally in a tournament situation, when i KNOW im behind but semi committed to the hand, and in a situation where accumulating chips is critical. Apart from that no, never. (unless of course im drunk, then always )
  #9  
04-12-2006, 9:15 PM
gord962
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I chose "1 or 2 times per session to mix it up", but it's not that simple for me. I will often go on gut feeling that my card will come. I am right on my gut feeling abut 75% of the time, hence my user title 'suckout lord'.
  #10  
04-12-2006, 9:24 PM
Bombjack
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You're asking how often I call against the pot odds - like Combuboom, the answer is I do when I'm getting the right implied odds. The pot odds are really only for the next card, so if I'm on a flush draw, pot odds say 4:1. But I'm calling a half pot bet on the flop which only gives me 3:1 in terms of pot odds. I called a smallish bet on the Turn yesterday with just a gutshot because I reckoned I'd stack my opponent if I hit (I didn't), despite needing 10:1 according to the pot odds.

So my answer is... often. (BTW it's often because I know what I'm doing, not because I'm loose!)
  #11  
04-12-2006, 9:36 PM
Freakakanus
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What are odds? Who is Sklansky?..........

I try...honestly I do......to look at the little chart taped on my monitor and count my outs....... and then my head explodes and my button pushing finger makes the actual decision.
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04-12-2006, 9:36 PM
shinedown.45
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re: How often do you chase against the odds?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gord962
I chose "1 or 2 times per session to mix it up", but it's not that simple for me. I will often go on gut feeling that my card will come. I am right on my gut feeling abut 75% of the time, hence my user title 'suckout lord'.
The same for me as I sometimes get bored
and like to mix it up and here's a good example:
PokerStars Game #7296166957: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/12/04 - 11:05:19 (ET)
Table 'Cepheus II' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Blobtwist ($19.80 in chips)
Seat 2: NeedForFun ($6.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Farbkasten ($6.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Orion469 ($12.20 in chips)
Seat 5: rk514219 ($30.55 in chips)
Seat 6: frozencowboy ($19.40 in chips)
Seat 7: Mirage_75 ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 8: yanekk ($19.65 in chips)
Seat 9: soulmate104 ($32 in chips)
rk514219: posts small blind $0.10
frozencowboy: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Orion469 [Kd 7d]
Mirage_75: folds
yanekk: folds
soulmate104: raises $0.50 to $0.75
Blobtwist: folds
NeedForFun: folds
Farbkasten: folds
Farbkasten is sitting out
Orion469: calls $0.75
rk514219: folds
frozencowboy: folds
*** FLOP *** [Td 4d 3s]
soulmate104: bets $1.50
Orion469: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [Td 4d 3s] [Th]
soulmate104: checks
Orion469: checks
*** RIVER *** [Td 4d 3s Th] A
soulmate104: checks
Orion469: bets $2
soulmate104: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Orion469: shows [Kd 7d] (a flush, Ace high)
soulmate104: mucks hand
Orion469 collected $8.45 from pot
  #13  
04-12-2006, 9:42 PM
joosebuck
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in tourneys sometimes, when im trying to amass a chipstack before blinds get too high
  #14  
04-12-2006, 10:29 PM
Beriac
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1) When I have the right implied odds! IE, if the pot is really small but I think I might be able to extract a lot more if I hit. Usually this is early in MTTs.

2) When I am on tilt of some kind. It's one of the signs I use to stop myself from playing.

3) When I am playing in a game just for a lark. Sometimes before or during a big tourney, I'll enter a $3 turbo SNG just to get the impatience out of my system. I also do this to sort out tilt when I get a few bad beats.

... Unfortunately, I think sometimes I might be guilty of playing that way in the CC SNGs, so I bet lots of the people around here have notes on me that say "maniac" "doesn't seem to understand either the rules of poker or how to count", etc!
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04-12-2006, 11:15 PM
MrSticker
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Freakakanus
What are odds? Who is Sklansky?..........

I try...honestly I do......to look at the little chart taped on my monitor and count my outs....... and then my head explodes and my button pushing finger makes the actual decision.
Yep. I put that choice on there for you, Freak. Maybe you'll get a Border's gift card from Santa. You can ask them at Border's if the storytime lady could put down the fairy tales book for a while and read Sklansky to you.
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04-12-2006, 11:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSticker
For example: How often do you chase the 3.5-1 flush with 2-1 pot odds? Or that 11-1 gutshot with 5-1 pot odds? Etc., etc.

If you do it often and care to elaborate, share with us below.
Well, I'll share that at most times, it's crazy to do so, especially in a tournament, which is all I play. If I need to chase, it usually means that I'm short stacked in the late stages, and it's an all or nothing proposition, and pot odds become irrelevant at that point.
  #17  
05-12-2006, 3:01 AM
Stefanicov
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pot odds are not everything in poker i have never bothered to learn them as a mathmatical equation because if you play by pure maths ittakes away from your overall game. I play purely based on playing the player and the situation and i am a winning player but i suppose each to their own
  #18  
05-12-2006, 3:15 AM
Beriac
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re: How often do you chase against the odds?

I find it interesting that someone who by his own admission has never learned the math of the odds of poker understands how it would impact the way one plays.
 



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