How to lose at cash games (my cash game thread)

#1 21st March 2011, 1:18 AM

Alright so I'm finally making a cash game thread, after declining requests for it and whatnot. I figure it may be good for me in the end.

Like orangepeeleo, I received a stake to play 50nl two weeks ago (which I had never properly grinded before). Got the whole 1000 euros up front, withdrew to rub on titties / get hookers and blow / upload it back.

The beginning has been very rough, I managed to steadily lose over 11 BI's in 10 days playing bad and tilting. After 2 of my best months in Jan-Feb I started to tilt, tilted 15 BIs @ 20nl before the stake and continued into the stake it seems.

Got it all back and more on Friday and Sat, finally started to play a bit better, however about 2BIs I had won I'll probably never get because of Entraction server crashing just then. Gotta hate that.

Today was another losing day though, I felt I played ok although some tilting during the session, almost -4BIs under EV tho that doesn't mean much, went from being 2.5 BIs up to about the same down in the end. Oh well, life. I feel I was mostly unlucky running into the top of people's ranges in lots of spots.

So right now I'm pretty much -2 BIs down, after 18.5k hands, breakeven in reality if you consider those pots when the damn server crashed.

I feel I'm almost a 50nl winning reg but not quite, sometimes I do mind blowingly fancy plays & reads pwning regs, or nice thin value bets, other times I'm making stupid call downs.

I really have to work harder on my game, find and plug my leaks, and work hard on my mental game. Easier said than done...

Couple of fun fancy played hands of the day :

BB: €56.07
UTG: €78.12
MP: €38.50
CO: €59.54
BTN: €50.00
Hero (SB): €64.99

Hero posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has 6♠ 7♥

fold, fold, CO raises to €1.43, fold, Hero raises to €5.36, fold, CO calls €3.93

21/15 or something reg, 53 hands, folded 100% or 4/4 to 3-bets up to that point so I figured I start exploiting him. I don't normally 3-bet such a junky hand, but for people with really high fold to 3-bets any two will do until they adjust (it was my first pot with him)

Flop: (€11.22, 2 players) K♣ 3♥ A♣
Hero bets €6.50, CO calls €6.50

Oh well got called, flop seems great to cbet, not giving him a lot of Ax except perhaps AJs-AQs and sometimes AK. In this spot I'm more inclined to give him a PP, especially with his high fold to 3-bet until now.

Turn: (€24.22, 2 players) T♣
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (€24.22, 2 players) J♣
Hero bets €20.00, fold

The plan was to give up after the flop, but he decided to show me on the turn he didn't have much of a hand, at this point I'm giving him some middle strength A or K, and I don't care if he has a Q to go with them I was pretty sure he wasn't calling without a club. I knew I had to make it big though.

Hero wins €23.01

This one is actually against a 48/21/1 fish, but he goes to SD 17% so he has to be tight on the river. Cbetting here was probably bad though

BTN: €12.50
SB: €79.15
Hero (BB): €50.00
UTG: €60.30

SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has A♦ 5♦

fold, BTN raises to €1.12, SB calls €0.87, Hero raises to €4.74, fold, SB calls €3.62

Flop: (€10.60, 2 players) 8♠ 4♠ J♦
SB checks, Hero bets €6.00, SB calls €6.00

Turn: (€22.60, 2 players) 9♥
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (€22.60, 2 players) 7♣
SB checks, Hero bets €16.00, fold

Hero wins €21.47

#2 21st March 2011, 5:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ComplexPlaya

Alright so I'm finally making a cash game thread, after declining requests for it and whatnot. I figure it may be good for me in the end.

Like orangepeeleo, I received a stake to play 50nl two weeks ago (which I had never properly grinded before). Got the whole 1000 euros up front, withdrew to rub on titties / get hookers and blow / upload it back.

The beginning has been very rough, I managed to steadily lose over 11 BI's in 10 days playing bad and tilting. After 2 of my best months in Jan-Feb I started to tilt, tilted 15 BIs @ 20nl before the stake and continued into the stake it seems.

Got it all back and more on Friday and Sat, finally started to play a bit better, however about 2BIs I had won I'll probably never get because of Entraction server crashing just then. Gotta hate that.

Today was another losing day though, I felt I played ok although some tilting during the session, almost -4BIs under EV tho that doesn't mean much, went from being 2.5 BIs up to about the same down in the end. Oh well, life. I feel I was mostly unlucky running into the top of people's ranges in lots of spots.

So right now I'm pretty much -2 BIs down, after 18.5k hands, breakeven in reality if you consider those pots when the damn server crashed.

I feel I'm almost a 50nl winning reg but not quite, sometimes I do mind blowingly fancy plays & reads pwning regs, or nice thin value bets, other times I'm making stupid call downs.

I really have to work harder on my game, find and plug my leaks, and work hard on my mental game. Easier said than done...

Couple of fun fancy played hands of the day :

BB: €56.07
UTG: €78.12
MP: €38.50
CO: €59.54
BTN: €50.00
Hero (SB): €64.99

Hero posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has 6♠ 7♥

fold, fold, CO raises to €1.43, fold, Hero raises to €5.36, fold, CO calls €3.93

21/15 or something reg, 53 hands, folded 100% or 4/4 to 3-bets up to that point so I figured I start exploiting him. I don't normally 3-bet such a junky hand, but for people with really high fold to 3-bets any two will do until they adjust (it was my first pot with him)

Flop: (€11.22, 2 players) K♣ 3♥ A♣
Hero bets €6.50, CO calls €6.50

Oh well got called, flop seems great to cbet, not giving him a lot of Ax except perhaps AJs-AQs and sometimes AK. In this spot I'm more inclined to give him a PP, especially with his high fold to 3-bet until now.

Turn: (€24.22, 2 players) T♣
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (€24.22, 2 players) J♣
Hero bets €20.00, fold

The plan was to give up after the flop, but he decided to show me on the turn he didn't have much of a hand, at this point I'm giving him some middle strength A or K, and I don't care if he has a Q to go with them I was pretty sure he wasn't calling without a club. I knew I had to make it big though.

Hero wins €23.01

This one is actually against a 48/21/1 fish, but he goes to SD 17% so he has to be tight on the river. Cbetting here was probably bad though

BTN: €12.50
SB: €79.15
Hero (BB): €50.00
UTG: €60.30

SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has A♦ 5♦

fold, BTN raises to €1.12, SB calls €0.87, Hero raises to €4.74, fold, SB calls €3.62

Flop: (€10.60, 2 players) 8♠ 4♠ J♦
SB checks, Hero bets €6.00, SB calls €6.00

Turn: (€22.60, 2 players) 9♥
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (€22.60, 2 players) 7♣
SB checks, Hero bets €16.00, fold

Hero wins €21.47

Bleh 2nd hand. When we 3bet it's for value or as a bluff. A5 is a bluff obv and we're trying to bluff a 48/21 who also has the BTN (should he think of that at all). Seems a pretty terrible spot to 3bet bluff imo.

That said congrats on the stake and I wish you well. Take maney!

#3 21st March 2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyChippy

Bleh 2nd hand. When we 3bet it's for value or as a bluff. A5 is a bluff obv and we're trying to bluff a 48/21 who also has the BTN (should he think of that at all). Seems a pretty terrible spot to 3bet bluff imo.

That said congrats on the stake and I wish you well. Take maney!

Thx. The 48/21 was the SB, the original raiser folded to my 3-bet. I didn't really mind the fish coming in out of position. I'd isolate him with A5s anyway, it's just a lower SPR.

Pretty bad c-bet though

#4 21st March 2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ComplexPlaya

I feel I'm almost a 50nl winning reg but not quite, sometimes I do mind blowingly fancy plays & reads pwning regs, or nice thin value bets, other times I'm making stupid call downs.

This is pretty much the point I am at atm to. Just moved up though so gotta give it some time. Good luck with the stake bro!!!

#5 21st March 2011, 3:16 PM

Do you think you're making these plays just because you've moved up or where you doing these same thing successfully at a lower level?

#6 21st March 2011, 3:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ComplexPlaya

Thx. The 48/21 was the SB, the original raiser folded to my 3-bet. I didn't really mind the fish coming in out of position. I'd isolate him with A5s anyway, it's just a lower SPR.

Pretty bad c-bet though

Lol I read it at 4 in the morning after a few beverages. It seems alright now then if BTN is reggy and fold to 3bets. We get to be HU with the fish IP with a playable if not perfect hand. Seems gd. I'm assuming you only want to be playing post-flop with this guy with some kind of equity? That being said it is a terrible flop to cbet even without this villain type

#7 21st March 2011, 6:06 PM

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Originally Posted by No Brainer

This is pretty much the point I am at atm to. Just moved up though so gotta give it some time. Good luck with the stake bro!!!

Thanks man. GL to you at 50nl as well. Doesn't feel like micros so much anymore although 2p2 still lists it as such. Finally!

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Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

Do you think you're making these plays just because you've moved up or where you doing these same thing successfully at a lower level?

I've always been a sucker for fancy playing tbh. There's real danger in overdoing it, I'll admit I am sometimes guilty of that.

Plenty of fancy-play spots today. I've started to 4-bet loads and 5-bet shove light too. Pretty much have to unless I want to raise/fold till I punch my monitor. Did a wrong 5-bet shove light though, shouldn't have assumed guy was 4-betting light without history, but sucked out A5s vs AK.

Therefor, I present...fun hands of the day!

This guy was an annoyance, always 3-betting me and now 4-betting me twice in a row, I has blockerzzzz so ship it. He surprised me with his call, was probably more tilt induced than good player induced since he's a losing reg.

BTN: €47.49
SB: €50.00
Hero (BB): €103.05
UTG: €50.00
CO: €68.92

SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has 3♠ A♣

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to €2.00, Hero raises to €6.00, SB raises to €14.50, Hero raises to €103.05 and is all-in, SB calls €35.50 and is all-in

Flop: (€100.00, 2 players) 7♣ T♠ A♥

Turn: (€100.00, 2 players) 5♣

River: (€100.00, 2 players) 9♣

SB shows 4♣ 4♠ (One Pair, Fours) (PreFlop 69%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows 3♠ A♣ (One Pair, Aces) (PreFlop 31%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins €97.00

Now my favorite hand, 3-bet him twice in a row and I reallllly felt he was making a move.

UTG: €9.75
MP: €73.75
CO: €65.07
BTN: €62.04
SB: €50.25
Hero (BB): €61.84

SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has 6♥ 9♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to €1.50, Hero raises to €4.00, SB raises to €11.00, Hero raises to €61.84 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins €22.00

And now for the crappiest played hand, I knew he had an overpair too. Guess I was tilting

SB: €65.00
Hero (BB): €56.53
UTG: €19.29
CO: €50.00
BTN: €20.45

SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has K♣ A♥

UTG calls €0.50, CO raises to €2.50, fold, SB calls €2.25, Hero raises to €9.00, fold, CO calls €6.50, fold

Flop: (€21.00, 2 players) 9♦ 9♥ 3♦
Hero checks, CO bets €15.75, Hero raises to €47.53 and is all-in, CO calls €25.25 and is all-in

Turn: (€103.00, 2 players) 8♠

River: (€103.00, 2 players) 4♥

Hero shows K♣ A♥ (One Pair, Nines) (PreFlop 44%, Flop 24%, Turn 14%)
CO shows J♥ J♠ (Two Pair, Jacks and Nines) (PreFlop 56%, Flop 76%, Turn 86%)
CO wins €100.00

Up 5 BIs since last update, getting into green territory again, hope it sticks this time.

#8 21st March 2011, 6:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ComplexPlaya

...hope it sticks this time.

As an investor, me too.

#9 21st March 2011, 6:16 PM

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Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

As an investor, me too.

any comments on the hands? Hope I'm not being too maniac-ish

#10 21st March 2011, 6:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ComplexPlaya

any comments on the hands? Hope I'm not being too maniac-ish

So hard to judge those type of hands because without knowing game dynamics and such they all tend to look like spew. Given the right set of circumstances they can always be justified though.

#11 21st March 2011, 6:33 PM

Good luck in your challenge.

Who staked you if you don't mind? I see billy invested some? Can I see some of your stats please.

ps: Is 20 buy-ins enough for 50nl? I mean if you lost 50% of your roll in the first couple of months then isn't it a bit dangerous or is this just an aggressive approach your taking? If so, are the stakers ok with it and I thought they might of been more comfortable staking you an extra 20 buy-ins.

#12 21st March 2011, 6:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

So hard to judge those type of hands because without knowing game dynamics and such they all tend to look like spew. Given the right set of circumstances they can always be justified though.

What! You mean 3beting 76o from the SB isn't standard!

Probably explains my recent losses.

#13 21st March 2011, 6:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ramdeebam

Good luck in your challenge.

Who staked you if you don't mind? I see billy invested some? Can I see some of your stats please.

We, the nameless faceless few.

Seriously just a group of loyalers. We are also currently staking KC and orangepeelio.

As for your question about BRM, we think 20BIs is enough for the purposes of THE STAKE. If he were to lose it all it's no loss to him so CP has nothing to lose other than his share of the profits and his time. If it were all he had and it was his own money 20BIs is pretty thin for 50nl but not terribly so imo.

#14 21st March 2011, 7:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

We, the nameless faceless few.

Seriously just a group of loyalers. We are also currently staking KC and orangepeelio.

As for your question about BRM, we think 20BIs is enough for the purposes of THE STAKE. If he were to lose it all it's no loss to him so CP has nothing to lose other than his share of the profits and his time. If it were all he had and it was his own money 20BIs is pretty thin for 50nl but not terribly so imo.

How does it work when someone is staked? At a determined point does the person being staked pay back the principle plus pct of the wins?

#15 21st March 2011, 7:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fx20736

How does it work when someone is staked? At a determined point does the person being staked pay back the principle plus pct of the wins?

Yes. Our agreement with CP is for 3 months and at least 75K hands.

#16 21st March 2011, 7:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

Yes. Our agreement with CP is for 3 months and at least 75K hands.

ok, but no requirement on win rate? You must want some ROI?

#17 21st March 2011, 7:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fx20736

ok, but no requirement on win rate? You must want some ROI?

We can't dictate WR but CP was selected because he was a winner at a level below 50nl and we thought he had a solid chance of being a good investment at this level.

#18 21st March 2011, 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fx20736

What! You mean 3beting 76o from the SB isn't standard!

Probably explains my recent losses.

Then again anything compared to your standard of play would probably look like other-worldly aggression/looseness.

Some of these hands are verging on spew - 5bet shoving is something that's just completely unnecessary and VERY high variance. Just a side note: if we're ever doing it, we should be choosing small suited aces. We have blockers, and the most equity possible out of any light 3betting hands when he calls. We're talking through his history in my next coaching session with him though, I'll straighten him out

#19 21st March 2011, 7:40 PM

subscribing

#20 21st March 2011, 7:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

We, the nameless faceless few.

Seriously just a group of loyalers. We are also currently staking KC and orangepeelio.

As for your question about BRM, we think 20BIs is enough for the purposes of THE STAKE. If he were to lose it all it's no loss to him so CP has nothing to lose other than his share of the profits and his time. If it were all he had and it was his own money 20BIs is pretty thin for 50nl but not terribly so imo.

Interesting..

So, it must be profitable for you even at 50nl? Can you talk numbers lol? I know it depends from player to player. I might just stake good players lol, might actually get a BR building..

BTW - obviously there is risk involved? They could just run of with the 1k? Also, because someone is being staked, doesn't their level of play loosen a lot? What I mean is, if someone said to me "here's x amount of money, you have no loss regardless if you lose"

Don't some people just donk it all of playing really bad just hoping to double/triple up the BR quickly for a quick earner? Then if they fail, well they haven't lost anything.

Last thing, why do winning players request or accept being staked though? Doesn't make sense to me. If I was a decent winning player at a quite a good limit and 50nl I guess is quite a good limit to actually make some profit then why not just use their own BR and keep 100% of the winnings? Or is it a case of a winning player at the level below then they actually are "moving up" to test/try the limit so don't want to risk their own BR?

Quite interesting this actually, never realised people staked on here..

#21 21st March 2011, 7:42 PM

Do you have a set range or set of hands that you use to 4bet light Taylor? Something to where you can ensure you keep your range balanced (say 3 value hands for every 1 bluff) without over/under doing it?

#22 21st March 2011, 7:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ramdeebam

Also, because someone is being staked, doesn't their level of play loosen a lot? What I mean is, if someone said to me "here's x amount of money, you have no loss regardless if you lose"

as someone that was staked for 3+ years but has been playing for own funds for just under a year: no

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Originally Posted by ramdeebam

Don't some people just donk it all of playing really bad just hoping to double/triple up the BR quickly for a quick earner? Then if they fail, well they haven't lost anything.

those people are called douchebags (edit: this is also why mark-up exists)

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Originally Posted by ramdeebam

Last thing, why do winning players request or accept being staked though? Doesn't make sense to me. If I was a decent winning player at a quite a good limit and 50nl I guess is quite a good limit to actually make some profit then why not just use their own BR and keep 100% of the winnings?

hourly rate/winrate/lack of risk vs. net worth vs. priorities (eg. i can take shots at 2/4 with only 15 buy-ins and a net worth that's less than my 'staked' BR because its less stressful because i'm also in school and playing sport xyz for my school)

i was in school full time and playing @ no risk, getting free coaching from the person staking me, and getting half of winnings + all of rb + bonuses was a more comfortable situation for me than playing for my own money would have been.

#23 21st March 2011, 8:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

Do you have a set range or set of hands that you use to 4bet light Taylor? Something to where you can ensure you keep your range balanced (say 3 value hands for every 1 bluff) without over/under doing it?

I don't have an exact range since obv every situation is dynamic and it would be a bit tough to memorize dozens of nuts:air ratios vs various 3bet+F4bet combos from my opponents, then figure out a set 4bet bluff range that way.

In general though I think a good plan is not to stray out of the Ax part of your range since they obviously add card removal too, and probably don't yield too high of a bluff:nuts ratio for 4betting. The more someone folds to 4bets, the more I add down the line: Kx, Qx, then sometimes there are situations where I think he's folding so much that my hand doesn't matter, and frequency isn't a problem since the situation is so unique and doesn't come up often enough to need a frequency regulator like picking Ax only.

#24 22nd March 2011, 2:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramdeebam

Good luck in your challenge.

Who staked you if you don't mind? I see billy invested some? Can I see some of your stats please.

ps: Is 20 buy-ins enough for 50nl? I mean if you lost 50% of your roll in the first couple of months then isn't it a bit dangerous or is this just an aggressive approach your taking? If so, are the stakers ok with it and I thought they might of been more comfortable staking you an extra 20 buy-ins.

It's not my money. I don't care if I lose it (I do actually because i want to build a roll from the stake too, but it wouldn't be a tragedy)

I had actually lost 11 1/2 BIs from the stake, but I didn't really care what happened to the rest so I was able to pull back up. +14 BIs in I think 3 days of playing

Quote:

Originally Posted by fx20736

What! You mean 3beting 76o from the SB isn't standard!

Well it most definitely should be!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckTs

Then again anything compared to your standard of play would probably look like other-worldly aggression/looseness.

Some of these hands are verging on spew - 5bet shoving is something that's just completely unnecessary and VERY high variance. Just a side note: if we're ever doing it, we should be choosing small suited aces. We have blockers, and the most equity possible out of any light 3betting hands when he calls. We're talking through his history in my next coaching session with him though, I'll straighten him out

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckTs

I don't have an exact range since obv every situation is dynamic and it would be a bit tough to memorize dozens of nuts:air ratios vs various 3bet+F4bet combos from my opponents, then figure out a set 4bet bluff range that way.

In general though I think a good plan is not to stray out of the Ax part of your range since they obviously add card removal too, and probably don't yield too high of a bluff:nuts ratio for 4betting. The more someone folds to 4bets, the more I add down the line: Kx, Qx, then sometimes there are situations where I think he's folding so much that my hand doesn't matter, and frequency isn't a problem since the situation is so unique and doesn't come up often enough to need a frequency regulator like picking Ax only.

I do try to use Ax for 4-betting light. I don't do it as often as it seems but last few days I'm trying to incorporate 4-betting / 5-betting light into my game. I mean if someone 4-bets 17% I'm not just going to let them walk all over me. Not ego, just -EV

Straightening me out sounds scary. I envision something like this, with me being relaxed and playing the violin...

Anyways, it's funny how life balances out. I was all happy for getting back in the green, but then I was turned down by this girl I liked, I went out with a friend, drank 3 beers, went back home intent of playing, passed a casino and thought why not? Never played live pokerz.

ATM->electronic table->lose a bit more than 150$ donking off->FML

Meh. Guess no more playing tonight...

#25 22nd March 2011, 2:36 AM

Losing $150 at live pokahs is almost like a winning session, don't sweat it.

#26 22nd March 2011, 4:03 AM

subscribin, gl complex and dont sweat losing live poker...its just a donk fest if your playing for anything less than 1k

#27 22nd March 2011, 3:54 PM

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Originally Posted by baudib1

Losing $150 at live pokahs is almost like a winning session, don't sweat it.

Yeah, but it doesn't make me feel any better..

#28 22nd March 2011, 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by baudib1

Losing $150 at live pokahs is almost like a winning session, don't sweat it.

I'm upset because I played drunk-ish and like a donk, bluffing my way out . Plus the amount matters to me

#29 22nd March 2011, 5:42 PM

subscribed.

Good luck!

#30 22nd March 2011, 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ComplexPlaya

It's not my money. I don't care if I lose it (I do actually because i want to build a roll from the stake too, but it wouldn't be a tragedy)

I had actually lost 11 1/2 BIs from the stake, but I didn't really care what happened to the rest

That's the spirit!
In a seriousness though, good luck!

#31 22nd March 2011, 6:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PooffyFooffy

That's the spirit!
In a seriousness though, good luck!

Thanks. The first part was serious though - that's one of the main points of getting staked pretty much, you can play without caring what happens. Or at least care less

#32 22nd March 2011, 9:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ComplexPlaya

I had actually lost 11 1/2 BIs from the stake, but I didn't really care what happened to the rest...

I wish I didn't care about losing 11 1/2 buy ins.

Actually I now no longer care.

What I care about is the lasagna in the oven. Until it's ready I'm going to go drink some Tequila.

Why?

Because I am out of Bourbon

**** teh pokerz

Pride goes before destruction,
and a haughty spirit before a fall.

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#33 22nd March 2011, 9:45 PM

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Originally Posted by fx20736

I wish I didn't care about losing 11 1/2 buy ins.

Actually I now no longer care.

What I care about is the lasagna in the oven. Until it's ready I'm going to go drink some Tequila.

Why?

Because I am out of Bourbon

**** teh pokerz

Obv you do still care. But you're not enjoying poker as much as you should, b/c playing too many tables you can't start doing cool stuff like this one today

CO: €21.76
BTN: €52.60
Hero (SB): €78.71
BB: €104.09
UTG: €60.44

Hero posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has 6♥ A♥

fold, fold, BTN raises to €1.00, Hero raises to €4.00, BB raises to €9.00, fold, Hero raises to €23.25, fold

Hero wins €19.00

The cold-4bettor had a high 10% 4-bet, I had a bit of history with him earlier.

His fold to 4-bets is actually low which means he's either flatting 4-bets or 5-bet shoving light (I'd guess on the latter) but I had been 3-betting wide, was probably 9% or higher on the 2 tables we shared (edit: was 15% on that particular table actually, 3/20, so it would go up to 20% after this hand) I knew it was a great spot to cold-4bet ATC (I would if I was him too) and we were 160bbs deep so a scare factor was involved too. I had an A blocker and a hand with nice equity post-flop as well. So I thought he would fold anything but QQ+/AK, maybe even tighter and went for it. And obviously I love fancy playing

The point of this rambling is you start to notice the finer details when you pay attention to players and not just your cards and the board. You won't run into this particular situation at 5nl/10nl but there are a ton of other stuff you keep missing due to nr. of tables

#34 23rd March 2011, 2:22 AM

Well running bad sucks. -5BIs, and 4BIs under EV. Tons of spots like these

UTG: €50.00
MP: €53.02
CO: €105.55
BTN: €114.31
Hero (SB): €50.00
BB: €50.00

Hero posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has T♣ T♦

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to €1.50, Hero calls €1.25, fold

Flop: (€3.50, 2 players) K♥ 2♦ J♠
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (€3.50, 2 players) T♥
Hero bets €3.00, BTN raises to €10.12, Hero raises to €17.24, BTN raises to €50.12, Hero calls €31.26 and is all-in

River: (€100.50, 2 players) 9♦

Hero shows T♣ T♦ (Three of a Kind, Tens) (PreFlop 57%, Flop 70%, Turn 23%)
BTN shows Q♥ A♠ (Straight, Ace High) (PreFlop 43%, Flop 30%, Turn 77%)
BTN wins €97.50

I min-3bet the turn to induce a shove, any thoughts on that people?
Gotta be ahead of his range there. I thought AQ would cbet there, he cbets 73% as well. Even with that in his range there's JT, QJ, the nut flush draws etc. And yeah, I know I sound like fx now

I'll tone my 3 and 4-betting down though, it is too much variance and I need to study it more. That's not to say I'll stop 4-betting light, just less. It seems to be a great way to induce regs into spewing.

Just gotta find the right balance, 2 is the magic number for some, 3 for others. Like this guy on a table I had been nitty 3-bet/folded to my AK once, but shoved 99 over my 4-bet when I had KK the second time.

#35 22nd May 2012, 10:34 PM

subscribing a little late. gl cp

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