How do you play the nuts?

I'm aggressive cause they don't think you have it 50% on the time, they think your on a draw or something... but that's how I roll How do you do it?

same i lead out with the nuts and play it aggressivly since thats how i play my draws/2 pairs, so its hard to put me on the nuts

In the shower... mostly.

Depends on the opponent. If it's someone I know will bluff at it, I'll slowplay, if it's a calling station, I'll obviously bet into them.

Answer: The way you think your opponent would expect you to play a hand slightly worse than his.

Soft enough to make them call, hard enough that they think I'm bluffing.

I bet a medium bet before the flop, so I don't have to worry bout the guy with 8,6 floppn 2 pair on me. hopefully medium to weak hands fold befor the flop,, then after flop make a hefty bet. if they call realize they probably hit 2 pair or better,, I try never to bet all my chips on them.. half of the time they will put you outta of the game.

ur not too sure about what the nuts means are u? ur not gonna be worried about 2 pair if u have the nuts.....
as to the topic i agree, it has to be dependant upon the opponent, slow roll or bet into them, just so long as they think ur bluffing ur getting called. Most importantly is trying to figure what hand they have, that way u can give them a price they will call with that hand.

Its always gonna be opponent dependent.

In my dream world I would min bet praying to induce a raise somehow.

If calling stations abound, I'd milk em like cows.

If aggro maniac is at the table, I want him to take the lead, I will follow like a cow.

obviously... easy clean-up

just yesterday floped nut str8 in position of course ,i smooth called flop raised on the turn because the better was pot commited and on the river he caught a three outer to split the pot. lov 4 th Ultimatebet

And that my friend is why I'm aggressive

Ahahahaha

But yea, I like to bet out a small-medium on the flop (if i have it then), just to get some money into the pot. Then I check on the turn to act like im giving up on a bluff, opting out of the continuation bet. Hopefully someone has bet by the river, if not I just do my best to milk it.

For a nice change of pace, you could do exactly what your opponent wouldn't think you would do when you had the nuts. Fold.

Ummm....

Now that is just gross.


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Hard and fast my friend, many times i have made the decision to slow play the hand and try to get alot of value for my cards, sometimes it has worked, but i would have to say that more often then never i would get rivered. I do believe that i would of won alot more pots if i controlled the betting instead of letting some one else bet into me. as if they are betting they do think u are on a draw and they will go to the river aswel. i hope this helps your play abit more. GL for you future games

i prefer slow playing; if all the other guys check i make a little bet. on the river i play it agressive because i won´t show the nuts

At least you didn't start yapping about my WoW playing in this thread too...

Slow play it all the way - make them think you don't have it....

In any case it depends on your opponent. You have to think....
ie. flop
Q's T's vs J's w/A kicker
do you want them playing the board looking for a straight?
and also... hes thinking.... am I against Q's?

i call and or check raise on the river if i think hes weak depends on my position. this gives me the chance to fold if need be.... i find alot of the time SOMEONE will bet it ALL.... looking for that K. but id wrather give them the chance to lose, not win.

I would vary depending on the table. I love super aggressive tables. They would put you all in and take someone with them. lol.
I have found it better to bet, hopefully they have a hand. sometimes I will let them catch up, then check raise.

I play it the same as I play a medium-strong hand.

What happens then is:

Your opponent calls your bets/gets all his money in the pot - Obviously the best scenario. If he sucks out on you then gg but you got it in with the nuts and that's all you can do.

Your opponent folds - Kinda sucks but it just means you weren't gonna get much anyway.

I don't go mad-aggro, for example if I lead out at a 3-heart flop with Ahxh and someone reraises I usually just call.

However if the board is 9dQd8c and I have JhTh then I'm 3-betting all in vs. a reraiser because he can raise me with flush draws and I don't want to risk him hitting me. If he has something like Ad8d there he's going broke.

gently, very very gently!

What kinda nuts are you flopping? It's very rare to flop the stone cold NUTS. Str8s get beaten by flushes which get beaten by FHs...

So usually bet the flop. I tend to usually bet the same, 2/3 to 3/4 the pot no matter what I have so as not to give out info.

Situationally I'd play it different if I had more details or felt I had killed the deck with Aces Full or something.

goldog

WE GO ARRRRLLLLLLL INNNNNNNNNN WITH THE NUTZ

I almost always slowplay the nuts. Why bet on the flop? Your opponent might have nothing and just fold. If it seems my opponent has nothing, I'll check on the flop and turn and make a small bet on the river. Of course, the nuts means a hand where your opponent is usually drawing dead. If I flop the nut straight I'll always slowplay, same with a full house. But if I have QQ and the flop comes Q of club, 10 of club, 2 of diamond, I have the nuts, but this is a very bad spot to slowplay, so I always bet to try to take down the pot.

I totally disagree with this. Bet on the flop to build a pot. If he has nothing you're likely not going to get much out of him anyway. By your method all you make from the nuts is the preflop bets unless he calls your river bet.

I fondle them softly and bet to build the pot.

"I totally disagree with this. Bet on the flop to build a pot. If he has nothing you're likely not going to get much out of him anyway. By your method all you make from the nuts is the preflop bets unless he calls your river bet."

By checking on the flop I'm using deception to hopefully pick up a bet later. He might not improve his hand, but if I check until the river and then bet, they will often call you with ace high even thinking you are bluffing. And if you slowplay they will often catch something to make a second best hand. So when you say "if he has nothing you're not likely to get much out of him" that's not true. It's better to with a tiny 400 chip pot with the nuts than to bet on the flop and win a 250 chip pot.

this is a huge leak, but i'm guessing you're too closed minded to be convinced to fix this. this is how i played when i was a complete newb. my win rate is now much better. there's a reason that almost no respected pro would agree with your idea. congratulations, your method picks up a few more bets from bluffs. against any sorts of hands, your method loses value and you're missing TONS of chances to play for stacks. when you flop a big hand, you want to play for stacks. i'm not saying never to slowplay, but you play your opponent's hand range and tendencies. guess what, people generally don't love to fold. even if they do, if they have no hand no draw on the flop, there almost no card they can hit on the turn that's going to make them put a ton in. plus the lines that people like you typically take with strong hands are so transparent, despite you believing it's "deceptive". you're winning a few extra bets from bluffs and marginal hands and you're often losing whole stacks from good hands or draws or calling stations. BUILD POTS WITH BIG HANDS

agreed


but LOL at the kathy liebert pic

i am a big check raiser,with or without the nuts, cuz you can usually induce a bet by checking and if you check raise a lot they might put you on a bluff and come back over the top with a minimal hand like second pair or especially top pair. and then you got their hand in the vise. Betting out might induce a fold with second pair or a cold call with top pair and a possibility of a scare card on the turn to make them fold. so i prefer to check raise on occasional bluffs and then you get a lot of value when you do it with a big hand.

here, to add a bit to this slowplay/not slowplay thing, this is a post from 2+2 written by a brilliant player named whitelime. he's even better than kathy liebert imo. i recommend everybody read this:

"Preflop slowplaying is bad, but postflop slowplaying is usually much worse.

I call the following "The Idiot's Monster"

Call Preflop with a drawing hand (pocket pair, suited connector)

Call raiser's flop bet when you hit your monster.

Raise the turn small (whether it's minraise or raise f/ $200 to $500).

Value bet the river.

I'm not saying to get rid of this line completely, however, pick your spots. Against most thinking players, you will not take their stack this way against an overpair. However, against some loose calling station whose entire thought process is "he bets more so he has a better hand", use this line (raising the flop is still superior) and value bet him into submission. He will never fold his TPGK.

Reasons slowplaying is bad:

1) Fastplaying is deceptive, slowplaying is not (against thinking players). You heard right. Because the overwhelming majority of players online slowplay their very strong hands, most thinking players will never see what hit them when you fastplay yours.

2) Fastplaying builds pots. This one should be obvious. You don't want streets checked when you have a very strong hand. You want the maximum amount going in on every street. When you flop a set and sense that your opponent has an overpair, pound him. Don't plan on taking half his stack. Go for it all. He probably isn't folding unless...

3) a scare card hits. I'm going to use a simple example to illustrate this point. You have 77 OOP against a preflop raiser. The flop comes T74 with a heart flush draw. You check call the flop. Think about how many turn cards could potentially kill your action. Any heart, T, J,6,3 could result in your opponent not willing to go to the felt with his overpair. Check-raising and leading out are both acceptable options. Check-calling is pretty bad.

Here is another example from a hand that I played recently:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

BB ($949)
Hero ($1342)
MP ($286.12)
CO ($992)
Button ($704.35)
SB ($769.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6, 5. SB posts a blind of $5.
Hero raises to $35, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $30, BB calls $25.

Flop: ($105) K, 6, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $70, SB calls $70, BB folds.

Turn: ($245) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $175, SB calls $175.

River: ($595) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ???

So many players will check the turn. Checking the turn is 100% wrong. It allows your opponent to play a small pot in a hand where he is either way ahead or way behind. Betting it also disguises your hand and most probably stacks Villain if he holds Kx. However, I forgot that an A could hit the river and potentially kill my action. The correct play in this situation is not only to bet the turn, but to bet all-in. This assures that you disguise your quads, get 95%+'s opponent's stacks all-in with Kx, and prevent a scare card (Ace) from killing your action on the river. This example illustrates how much can go wrong when you try to slowplay.

4) Your opponent doesn't bet! In the previous 77 example, I stated that check-raising and leading are both good options. The reason check-raising is equally good is because your opponent will often make a continuation bet when he misses which you would not gain if you lead. However, you should be wary of the fact that any time you check intending to trap, your opponent may check also."

Playing a game such as limit HE, I would somewhat agree that against some opponents, slowplaying in this way with the nuts is the way to go. But in NLHE, the betting amounts are tied to the pot, not to the betting structure: you must build a huge pot in order to bet huge and stack people.

Examples:

LHE FR. You have 66 against a preflop raiser in LP. 1 CC and you call in the BB. Flop comes A6Qr. Perfect for your hand. You check, EP bets, other guy CC, you just call. You figure that by raising now, you're giving away your hand strength and the ability to c/r the turn, wich will be more valuable than c/r the flop.

With the very same hand in NLHE, a flop c/r (or even better, b/3b) is mandatory since you can use the CC as a cushion to build up the pot for mister AT+: he now has better odds to call and the pot has been built for a good b/shove line on the turn.

I'll repeat that: you should bet to build the pot and you shoudl be more inclined to bet the cold hard nuts than just the regular nuts, since you'll usually have a more BS image using this line than is you just had a set you wish to slowplay.

Example:

You turn a str8 flush against an obvious set. You are OOP. If you wait for your opponent to bet, you'll be sad when he wishes to keep the pot small and check behind. Same thign if he has a small flush. Bet, make him reraise and go AI. Checking to him and slowplaying gives your opponent the luxury of going to SD cheap. WE DO NOT WANT THAT. This is a mistake according to the fundamental theorem of poker.

But it's all situational. There are times where you can win more chips by slowplaying the nuts and there are times when it's better to just bet out on the flop. If there was already preflop raising and I make the nuts, usually I don't slowplay because its likely someone has a hand or overpair. But say I limp in the small blind and the BB checks and I flop the nuts, I always check to him.

Also, here's another thing to keep in mind. The more opponents you bet into on the flop, the stronger a hand you are telling them you have. So if I'm first to act with the nuts against several opponents I'll check hoping to check raise or check call (if I think I have them drawing dead). If I'm against one opponent, I'll sometimes make a half pot bet and hope they interpret it as a continuation bet and call with bottom pair.

Go All in and hope it holds...