How can you break "Pre-Flop Callers" in Low-Limit No-Limit?

By playing a selective, aggressive pre-flop strategy, I find the 'Sammy Farha' -style players -- who will call a preflop open/raise with almost anything -- very tough to beat. These people who like to see a flop, often times also like to over call on their draws. Strong hands like AK or QQ have to commit a lot of chips before and after the flop -- just to get outdrawn.

So, the strategy of raising pre-flop and betting on the flop is causing me to go broke. Small bets on the flop, can easily give these callers pot odds. Checking on the flop seems to just give free cards to their raggedy hands.

Short of having to flop a monster, I'd like to have a pre and post-flop strategy for these kind of players.

HELP!!!!!!

Don't be married to your cards after the flop is the key!
Most of the time you 'll have good flops and you 'll win. If you feel you are beaten: just fold.

As you noted, in low Limit games, there are always lots of pre-flop limpers. The only chance you have of knocking them out is if you raise preflop from early position. Many still won't fold their J 3 off suit, but they are a big dog when they make the call. This is what makes you money, in the long run. On occasion, they will flop two pair or a set and there's nothing you can do about that. So, raise them pre-flop with your big hands, even in late position. The math is working in your favor over the long run. The trick is learning not to go on tilt in the short run when they luck out. I play low Limit Hold'em and I have never found a way to keep people from limping, as they are trating poker as a game of luck, not a game of skill. But, as a result, over the long run you will break them...when you take all their chips.

You can't make them not call. Some people are always asking what can you do to make a player lay rags down, or flush draws. I don't want them to lay it down. In the long run these players will pay me off.

As long as you are practicing good bankroll management, you reduce the going broke syndrome. Don't wait too long to drop down in stakes thinking you can make that loss back or you will go broke.

I understand what your saying and can't remember where I had read this, but what I had read was that if you find your table calling your preflop bets too often, then you should bet more.
ie: if they're calling 4xBB bets then start making 5xBB bets and so-on.

Check raise them. Check raising is a great tool if you have confidence they will bet a flop you have hit.

-Raymond

i like the first post of saying dont be married to your cards. very good point. as for the pre flop and post flop callers what you want to do it raise minimum both pre and post flop and see if they raise, if they raise they have it if they dont raise at all during the hand then you probably have them beat. if they just flat call and beat you at least you didnt raise and lose more chips then if you raised throught the whole hand.

3bet for value preflop especially in position.

One of the big problems in low stake games is that players rely on luck rather than skill. If they were playing for 100 times the value they would play a completely differnt game or at least 99.99% of them would. The trouble is when they win they think they are good poker players and do not regards themselves as lucky. Over a long sequence of hands a good player is always going to beat a lucky one because luck has got 2 sides good and bad.

Someone tell me if this is right or wrong, but in limit you are going for st8s and flushes ????? I tried PP 2 pair and 3 trips, but get taken out by a str8 and or flush.

If you don't understand board texture and what the real strength of your hand is, then it doesn't matter if you are playing limit or NL. You will get cleaned every time.

Limit is a complete different strategy from NL. It is also a strongly math based game.

First of all when you see these kind of players, play your hands tight! unless
your playing heads up. Any play style has its counter, and this one is
getting this guy where it hurts. If you know he has a good chance of calling
well take advantage of it. Most likely you will own him, so dont be afraid
to put a lot of money preflop and post flop, cause chances are you will
win more of those hands than you will lose! These are the kind of guys
you want on the table, so dont be frightened by their 'fearlessness' cause
many others would call it 'folishness' if u dont mind me saying.

Wait until you were dealt a nice pair and push ypur hand. Most of the time they will pay your well timed bets!
Otherwise if you do not hit the flop with AK or something like that just fold and do not waste your chips!

True... I went in with 1.00 in to a .02/.04 limit game to try out playing, tight from loose, and found out playing tight pays off more.... And there was even 1 who was playing tight, came in with 5.00 and left with 6.00 +.....
When i played loose i lost and when i played tight i got back up to my buck after going down to .50c.....

Ok i take back what i said and was wrong to think to so..... So is that better thinking now?????

Oh to the OP you can push them off of hands, and keep them from hitting str8s and or flushes, your table image helps.

on low limit tables people throw there money around like monopoly money. All you can do is play the hand right and milk them for all its worth. Make them pay for coming in the hand with some bs.

So basically your advice is to hit the flop? Given that any given hand will miss 2/3 flops, I'm not sure I want to be depending on this...

I didnt read everyones posts so if I sound like an echo I apologize, but you want people to call you with junk, as much as it hurts sometimes...thats how you bank. I'm not to fond of the advice to just raise more (3 betting is different) because if your going broke all the time, you are probably overplaying your hand too, So if you don't do anything to correct your play, betting more is just gonna cause you to lose more faster when your opponent calls anyway. Knowing when to fold is the biggest skill that i think is hardest to do.

i have found that aggresion is the key...make your preflop raises a bit bigger...then those stations that call you will start to think twice about calling you...

if you lead out small on a flop that you have missed, then you can get away cheap if you get raised or.....if you get flatted then look at what draws that might be there, if you hit on the turn bet again...but if u miss...just evauate your hand and check fold is usually the best bet.

but if you lead out strong on the flop, just make sure you don't get yourself pot commited....that way you can fold to a raise/shove