Is he a fish....or a shark in disguise?

Villain stats over 65 hands at a 10cent/25cent 9 handed cash game

vpip: 92 (not a typo) pfr: 3.08 AF:3.46

He was pretty much limp calling EVERY hand preflop, every hand. He was OOP in many of them. He would pretty much min raise/donk on every hand and call a bet 95% of the time.

Funny thing is he won lots of pots that way, like 4 out of 5.

He took 45$ from me. Once his 62 off cracked my AA. (he hit quad 2's)

Another, my QJd hit the board' s ace high flush but he had Kd3d..

Thing is he finished with almost twice the amount of stack he started with. Got me wondering if he:

a) Was a monster fish who was hitting it pure and simple

b) Was a shark in disguise playing the micro for some fun

c) Just knew how to push the math/the agression of poker to the point of making it work for him in terms of hands entered. pots won, pots lost, i.e some evil poker genius. I know 62 off was a fluke, had to be, but he bet hard hard when he had the nuts on the river, so I suspected he wasnt as insane as he played.

Man I lost 45$ but it was a good learning/eye opening experience.

I wonder who was the big fish..him or me lollll

There really is no one right way to play poker!!

Anyone have similar stories to share? Any thoughts?

Even the loosest/craziest maniac won't have a VPIP of 92 in a full ring game. My guess is that he knows the game but is also just either experimenting or having fun.

Was it KD by any chance?
Just asking.....

Yeah he did have a vpip of 92, but even with knowledge of the game...arent you just asking for it seeing 92% of flops?

Pooffy Foofy: He held the Kd3d in the hole to make his flush

There was an Ad 10d 6d on the board

This is quite wrong yet will be right occasionally.

Lol no I meant was the villian Keracous Dog by any chance. He plays and hits alot of flops.
I cringe playing cash ring with him.

my suprise is that how can people playing with him let him see any flops??

oooooooooooooooooh lolll no it wasnt him I though you meant king of diamonds or something.

I guess thats called the super ultra loose style of poker.

THEY WERENT!!! He was limping in and calling EVERY preflop raise to see a flop!!

I initially identified him as a fish so I min raised almost every flop to isolate him with me since he was on my right so either I wasnt raising enough (probably). But he was gonna call a 3bb raise if called every 2bb raise thats for certain.

I also didnt know how to exploit this particular kind of situation as iv never seen this before.

Either way great learning experience

I see quiet a few of these players at 5NL and they have the largest stack on the table every time....and yip they like to take my stacks too with their 72o type hands.

I have a hard time exploiting this type of player. All I could do was nit up and value town him when I had anything > sets as all my TPTK and 2P hands were getting smashed.

just look up his ratings. lol i've yet to see a winning player with stats like that. they usually hit hands in the short term, but are losers overall.

Hey where can you look up a players rating like that?

And I feel a TPTK hand is pretty good against these types of guys

But its so funny how this style completely throws you off your painfully learned, carefully coreographed poker synchronicity...

I actually plan on going down a few stakes soon and working on this ultras loose LAG type of play. It definitely has its place. Just beeing able to change gears from TAG to LAG is, to me a critical skill to have.

Care to elaborate?

I've seen a couple guys like this, and it always does make you wonder. I look 'em up and found that they're monstrously awful bad. Sounds like you just happened to find one on a heater.

RF

I only play up to 85% VPIP, Im pretty nitty, remember!

ah shucks you love me really!

er, i have 5.8BB/100 at 10nl at fulltilt
look me up for 10nl at fulltilt

"Is he a fish....or a shark in disguise?"
Whenever you ask yourself this, without significant reason to believe he's a shark, he's a fish.

Seriously, don't hurt your game by trying to learn from this guy. If you build up a few hundred hands of history with him (I'm tempted to say thousands of hands history.... but you get the idea) then maybe start trying to learn from him if he still looks impressive.

He hit a K high flush over someone else's Q high flush and hit quads and got action, in the space of 47 hands, he's expected to do well in that session, regardless of skill.

Hey KD, care to elaborate a little more on yor style of play? I really feel this extreme careless style of play has a lot of merits.

Did you consciously develop it? Does it closely ressemble your personality type? etc etc??

Thanks..im really curious because after a while I felt like I was the fish there.....

[quote=RAFC24;1419765]Hey where can you look up a players rating like that?

Pokertableratings

I start off tight, and try to get reads on players, ie tag/lag, flush/straight chasers, then I play ATC in position, and premium OOP, and play the players, ie make bets where they have to make hard decisions to call. Im so aggressive, but most of the time I hold somekind of hand.

A 92/3/3.5 is, in the long run, going to be a fish. Don't bother checking winrates/stats etc., unless the sample size is meaningful it's going to be misleading at best.

fwiw imo, learn to change gears by all means, but look at LAGs playing a 45/32/2.5 style (which is a difficult style to play fwiw) before looking at 92/3/3.5.

The only way 92/3 works is by depending very heavily on implied odds situations and tight weak/passive postflop play by villains - which means that this will work at the smallest microstakes levels (since lots of players at those levels will pay off when they shouldn't, and play passively when they shouldn't), but will generally not be effective at higher microstakes levels (those players don't disappear at those levels, but they're not as common, and the agg players will combat this style more effectively).

Ok so I just checked the guys rating and after his '' monster '' day yesterday, he finished with a profit of 3$...

He's lost close to 200$ in 3 days of playing 25nl......

Done. 4.4BB/100 over 5,000 hands. It doesn't tell me your stats, though the grader does reflect a LAG style, maybe a very LAG style. I wonder, though, how you'd be an 85 if you only play premiums OOP.

I stand by what I said. Everybody I've ever played with stats like this has been horrible. Might you be an exception? Sure, you might. I checked my DB, and apparently I've never played with you.

RF

He's not always that high. When I played against KD his VPIP was in the 50's.

i apologize if i missed it (didnt read in depth every post) but i need to add my 2 cents...

1) DO NOT try to modify your play style to this loose as hell style, it does not work and will harm you in the long run... when these 80% VPIP players run hot, they break even, when they run cold, they loose every hand...

2) The way to break these players is VERY simple... do not try to min-raise to isolate, you already know they arent folding anything, so essentially all you are doing is putting more of your money in danger before knowing the strength of your hand after the flop... of course this has exceptions with AA/KK etc... but in the long run it is more reasonable to no build the pot for these people, but instead extract value from them post flop... with AA, if they call everything, just shove on them if you know they are loose enough to call...

These people are easy to play, but instead of thinking strength = strength you have to let these people hang themselves, hit a big flop and extract value...

I sometimes play with ppl like those. Best strategy i found is to just leave the table . I do no think u had a great learning experience. He was on a lucky strike like we all have from time to time. U can now just watch again those hands and see if he was a good player or not if he squezzed the maximum amount of money from u with his winning hands. If not ... he was a fish.

too easy. why not just raise big preflop with big hands. You dont have to open to 3bbs or whatever your standart is everytime (min raising even worse imo). just open 6,7,9,11 whatever bbs with good hands, he is calling anyways. 3bet bigger etc. widen ur 3bet range to top %20 in position. and lower ur preflop bluffing range. dont forget that since his preflop ranges are very wide, he is weak post flop dont be afraid to bluff him off, he is going to fold.

sounds to me like he previoulsy was dealing with weird hands in higher stakes and maybe moved down

What is a fish?
A fish is someone who does not play optimally.

Your villain in the OP is currently playing more hand then GTO and as such open to being exploited.

If you can't exploit him and he is winning more pots then what he would if he was playing GTO, then you are the weak player and he is the good player.

I play on micro tables often so i see these a lot and I know he's not a shark in disguise! He's a very LAG player who is on a winning streak and needs to be calmed down and milked good...
How do you do that?You try your aces or kings a second time, or you wait until you have the nuts post-flop and you shove all in as you can be sure he's gonna call...He's not gonna keep getting lucky and you are going to win much thanks to him!

very wrong imo. being loose pre doesnt mean that he will be loose post flop. most likel they opposite, since his range is very wide he will be weak post flop most of time he will very rarely call if you shove post when u have the nuts.