Going all-in short stacked on a flush draw.

#1 16th November 2007, 1:57 AM

It seems every time i'm short stacked and on a flush draw after the flop, I ALWAYS miss.

For example ( i'm on another computer so i cant copy the hand history ).

9$ SnG, blinds 80/160, 5 people left. I was BB with Ah2h, button calls, SB calls. My stack is around 850, whereas the button's stack is around 4000 and the SB had around 2500, so i did not want to push preflop.

FLop came with 2 hearts. SB bets 160, i think about it, then push all of my chips. And jokingly told him to call because i always miss my flush draws.
He called and i missed.....

Is it a bad move to move all-in with flush draws being shortstacked ?, It never works for me.

#2 16th November 2007, 2:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coljung

It seems every time i'm short stacked and on a flush draw after the flop, I ALWAYS miss. Selective memory.

For example ( i'm on another computer so i cant copy the hand history ).

9$ SnG, blinds 80/160, 5 people left. I was BB with Ah2h, button calls, SB calls. My stack is around 850, whereas the button's stack is around 4000 and the SB had around 2500, so i did not want to push preflop. M of a little over three, suited ace good for preflop push.

FLop came with 2 hearts. SB bets 160, i think about it, then push all of my chips. And jokingly told him to call because i always miss my flush draws. Telling your hand is not allowed under any circumstances.
He called and i missed.....

Is it a bad move to move all-in with flush draws being shortstacked ?, It never works for me.

No.

#3 16th November 2007, 3:22 AM

once again, nuf said

easy to hit flushes shortstacked cuz you can guarantee yourself a turn and river

then again you just have a flush draw so you arent gunna win it every time

#4 16th November 2007, 3:52 AM

Yup push preflop. Button limped but didn't raise, so he probably doesnt have a pair or a big ace. And suited ace 2 is in the top 30% of all hands.

#5 16th November 2007, 7:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bentheman87

Yup push preflop. Button limped but didn't raise, so he probably doesnt have a pair or a big ace. And suited ace 2 is in the top 30% of all hands.

^^this. At the current blind levels, you're close to desperation mode, and this may be your best chance. Any suited ace is good enough for your purposes, esp. in an unraised pot. A preflop push stands a chance of stealing a pot against 2 faurly average stacks, and that alone buys you a little extra life.

#6 16th November 2007, 7:29 AM

You are 5 BB...this is as good as it may get, with 11 out your chance of hitting close to even money...push

#7 16th November 2007, 8:35 AM

Yes, because you are so short and running out of time, you were correct to push on the flop. You are 2:1 dog to hit so you will of course lose 2/3 of the time.

And as already said, preflop push was the better option. The SB might have folded and you would have won the blinds and the button limp.

#8 16th November 2007, 10:40 PM

I did not to push because i was sure the big stack would have called me so i decided to wait for the flop and hope for some good cards or an A.

#9 16th November 2007, 11:13 PM

Since you didn't hit and still pushed after the flop, you should have gone all in preflop. just my opinion. I am also rethinking this for myself. I have been in your position and I will push on the flop, I started to push preflop in this position and have had better luck.

#10 16th November 2007, 11:30 PM

Well, you could sit it out till the blinds eat you up.

In the red zone, 'M' way low, you don't need any justification for shoving. 96 off may have a special place because once in the bb you got checked and flopped a boat. Good enough reason.......

You may have a wee bit of flexibility over just which off brand hand you want to shove, but really, are you waiting for Suited Aces?

#11 17th November 2007, 2:31 AM

A2s has 38% equity against two random hands = push with an M of 3. Also, telling your hand is stupid. Give a chance to villain to fold before seeing if the flop hits him or not.

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