Folding QQ preflop, cash game.

Hey all,

I read an interesting thread on folding QQ during tournaments. I ran into pocket KK in a cash game recently online with QQ.

The tourney thread specifically (and correctly, in my opinion) outlines the perfect times to fold QQ preflop. So my question is...how about cash games? Should you ever fold QQ? What are the odds that your opponent will be dealt KK, AA, or the coin-flip situation, AK?

Ignore the idiots that shove with inferior cards and suck-out...that's not really what I'm concerned about.

Thanks!

Fullring or 6max?

Speaking as a full ring player I would say yes there are times to fold QQ...Alot of the decent players with 100bbs wont stack off preflop with QQ or AK unless its a blind battle...so against these players you wont be in good shape at all when you get 4bet or shoved on.

Short stacks will normally shove a wider range 99+, AQ+ so I wouldnt fold.

But like all things its villian dependant, thats where your HUD stats and player notes help out.

I feel like I post this chart once a week...

Opponent's 3-bet Percentage Required to 4-bet/call off preflop for 100bb's.
* KK+: Good against any range
* QQ: vs 3% or higher
* JJ: vs 6.5% or higher
* TT: vs 8.5% or higher
* 99: vs 10.5% or higher
* 88: vs 12.5% or higher
* 77: vs 14% or higher
* AKs: vs 3% or higher
* AQs: vs 8% or higher
* AJs: vs 13% or higher
* AKo: vs 5% or higher
* AQo: vs 9% or higher

If you're facing a 4-bet instead of a 3-bet, it becomes a little more complicated. And it should be a less frequent spot, since you should rarely be 3-bet/folding queens. Because if you're planning to 3-bet/fold as your line, you should probably just flat their open in the first place.

So yeah, I'll save the "facing a 4-bet" math for someone else.

Nice chart, gives me a better ideaof my 3betting range. What sample size do I need for this chart to be useful?